| | Re: Pricing and speeds Quick and short answer: There is no true competition in broadband.
You either have Cable which provides much better speeds or you have xDSL which provides much less speed in a vast majority of the country.
Wireless doesnt count, sorry you wisp shills, it just sucks and is hampered by bad caps and price. | |
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 | | Re: Pricing and speeds said by Skippy25:Quick and short answer: There is no true competition in broadband.
You either have Cable which provides much better speeds or you have xDSL which provides much less speed in a vast majority of the country.
Wireless doesnt count, sorry you wisp shills, it just sucks and is hampered by bad caps and price.
Thank you!
That is exactly correct!!
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| Re: Pricing and speeds said by cork1958:said by Skippy25:Quick and short answer: There is no true competition in broadband.
You either have Cable which provides much better speeds or you have xDSL which provides much less speed in a vast majority of the country.
Wireless doesnt count, sorry you wisp shills, it just sucks and is hampered by bad caps and price.
Thank you! That is exactly correct!! But I can choose to either pay a lot of money for a lot of speed (cable), or not so much money for not so much speed (DSL). That isn't competition?
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Bloom County | Re: Pricing and speeds Not really - if the cable deploys suck then DSL would be the real option and only option. TW around me sucks and I cvan't get U-Verse even though it is 500 ft from my house. In a free market there would be more than one cable company and more than one DSL company - I don't mean more than one reselling the same DSL.
Problem is the barriers to entry is high - money wise and thanks to large companies and their PACs - legislative barriers.
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kudos:6 | Re: Pricing and speeds Well, there isn't here; and here has three viable choices (four if you live in either of the local fiber provider markets).
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Bloom County | Re: Pricing and speeds And that would be unusual though I have yet to figure out what 3 would be. Most places have ONE cable provider, a dsl provider with resellers and that is it...
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| Re: Pricing and speeds It may be unusual, but we have:
• Comcast (cable).
• AT&T (DSL).
• Sonic.net ("Fusion" (ADSL2+) and fiber; beyond their resold AT&T.)
• Paxio (fiber).
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Bloom County | Re: Pricing and speeds So Sonic has their own DSL lines to the houses or they piggy back on the AT&T (there by increasing the cost)? To be a real competitor for DSL they would need to run their own lines to the homes and have zero dependency to AT&T. VERY few places have fiber - I believe the largest build of fiber for residential is Verizon and they are being very specific on where they built out.
We have available to me - AT&T + various ISPs running across AT&T lines (expensive - I spend $60+ on 1.5 down 384 up DSL that I can share and run a server on), Cincy Bell - limited to 3 meg limit down, and Time Warner. I use DSL because I can't stand Time Warner. Time Warner truly only has U-Verse as a 'competitor' for speeds almost as fast as TW. And I can't get U-Verse when it is available 500 ft away.
This 'competition' does not lower prices for the consumer but it competition only in name as TW really has no competitor. In many cases - broadband is a duopoly at best and that has few advantages for consumers in a supposedly 'free market'.
The biggest issue are the cost to running your own lines unless you force sharing of lines by law. Of course - also destroying true competition is laws to prevent community build outs and allowing communities to prevent other companies from coming in (the big companies - AT&T, Verizon, TW etc... are very good at lobbying for these laws) and getting them passed.
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| Re: Pricing and speedssaid by CylonRed:So Sonic has their own DSL lines to the houses or they piggy back on the AT&T (there by increasing the cost)? To be a real competitor for DSL they would need to run their own lines to the homes and have zero dependency to AT&T ... We have available to me - AT&T + various ISPs running across AT&T lines (expensive - I spend $60+ on 1.5 down 384 up DSL that I can share and run a server on) ...
Our last full AT&T bill: $103.nn
Our first full Sonic.net bill: $51.nn
From my Sonic.net bill:
Fusion Broadband Information - STI-00nnnnn-0 0.00 0.00
Data $19.97 Voice $19.98
So where is this increased cost?
Sonic.net, and G4 Communications in New Hampshire, do run on the ILEC copper; between the residence and the CO. Dane Jasper, CEO of Sonic.net says that costs his company a whopping $12 a month. Aside from this Last Mile connection, neither runs on ILEC lines.
My phone number is not issued by AT&T:
PSTN carrier.
If it did, the listed company would be, "PACBELL".
My DSL circuit does not belong to AT&T.
VERY few places have fiber ...
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Bloom County | Re: Pricing and speeds quote:
You're right. That proves nobody has a choice.
Next time - know what I said and not guess or make assumptions since I did not say anything close to that...
Your competition does not even come CLOSE to saying that a large part of the population of the US has actual, real competition.
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| Re: Pricing and speeds said by CylonRed:Next time - know what I said and not guess or make assumptions since I did not say anything close to that...
Next time I won't forget the hyperbole tag ...
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