| 50/10 Qualifying Distance This has been asked before and I got conflict answers and reports but I'd like to know what is the maximum distance from the remote to someone in order to get 50/10.
I know some places not too far from me qualify for 50/10 but my area hasn't received a 7330 remote yet. I'd hate to have to move if I'm too far from the 7330 when they install it my in area to only qualify for 25/10. |
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 JCohenPremium
join:2010-10-19
Nepean, ON
kudos:2 | The distance for 50/10 is 1-1.2km. |
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| said by JCohen:The distance for 50/10 is 1-1.2km.
Maybe on a perfect line. On a more average line, you can cut that in half. Even less on a stinger since those only go up to 13a while the 7330s go to 17a. |
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| The distance for 50-10 is not 1-1.2 kms Thats 25-10 Its about half that for 50/10 On 7330s
stingers run 12a and thus are even shorter distance like 200 meters or so.
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gord27
join:2005-05-01
Mississauga, ON | reply to FiberToTheX
I'm about 400m from a stinger and I barely can't get 50/10. 300m or less should be no problem. |
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Sunfox
join:2003-12-14
Markham, ON | Wanna see a funky 25/10 connection? I pulled this from my 2864 the other day. Now, if only I could either get more upstream, and/or make use of the available downstream...
Extended Port Status
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Bme: 1 Port: 1
Downstream line rate: 28896 kbps
Upstream line rate: 4352 kbps
Bearer0 Downstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Downstream payload rate: 26928 kbps
Bearer0 Upstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Upstream payload rate: 4024 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate: 52720 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate: 59448 kbps
Downstream Training Margin: 20.6 dB
Downstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Near-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb500494b4e530200
Far-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb500494b4e530100
Downstream delay: 0.0 ms
Upstream delay: 0.0 ms
Tx total power 7.9 dbm
FE Tx total power 13.7 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length : 2890 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length : 2440 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length :2758 ft
Current framing mode: 0x10 EFM
Bandplan Type...........: 2
No. of Upstream Bands...: 1
No. of Downstream Bands.: 2
Line Type: 0x00100000 VDSL2 Profile 8A
Downstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Attenuation: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1.413)
Upstream SNR Margin: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1413)
Upstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Downstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Line Status : Port is in Showtime
Mode : 0x100000 (VDSL2 Profile 8A )
Upstream Payload Rate : 4024 kbps
Downstream : 26928 kbps
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DIAG Info:
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Attenuation ( dB ) : 21.1 0.00 (FE LATNpb-0)
45.80 (FE LATNpb-1)
0.00 (FE LATNpb-2)
0.00 (FE LATNpb-3)
0.00 (FE LATNpb-4)
SNR margin ( dB ) : -2.9 0.00 (FE SNRMpb-0)
11.10 (FE SNRMpb-1)
0.00 (FE SNRMpb-2)
0.00 (FE SNRMpb-3)
0.00 (FE SNRMpb-4)
US Aggregate Power : 7.9 dbm
DS Attainable Data Rate: 52720 kbps
US Attainable Data Rate: 6320 kbps
HEC counter : HEC_F:0
HEC_S:0
CRC counter : CRC_F:0
CRC_S: 1
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 LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | reply to FiberToTheX
I believe the 'spec' for 50/10 is the same qualifier as TV - 750m or less... |
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Sunfox
join:2003-12-14
Markham, ON | I don't qualify for 50/10, but I do qualify for FibeTV. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:19 | reply to FiberToTheX
Our office is on a stinger, has line stats that indicate 50 meg service is possible, and Bell estimates our distance as 0.65~1.17km.
50 meg is definitely possible at way more than 200m on a stinger.
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1 edit | said by Guspaz:Our office is on a stinger, has line stats that indicate 50 meg service is possible, and Bell estimates our distance as 0.65~1.17km.
50 meg is definitely possible at way more than 200m on a stinger.
How is the line quality in your office and how old is the copper wiring that runs there ?
I probably won't see a Stinger deployed in my area since I've seen 4-5~ 7330's not too far from me. Some were installed in 2011 and one was installed sometime in 2012.
If I was to estimate my distance from the JWI and the 7330 Remote (if and when they ever decide to put it in) then it would be roughly 700-725-750m according to Google maps. However I'm not sure what the exact path of the Copper wiring is.
It is a newer area that was built within the last decade (2000's) and the copper wiring should be relatively newer. |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:19 | reply to FiberToTheX
»goo.gl/maps/NsVPa
Not so much with the new building/area/phone lines. It's ancient, all of it. I was shocked we were even covered by anything faster than legacy ASDL at all, let alone having line stats that indicate 50 meg is possible (RCO is 42-43% on the 27 meg sync).
Upstream doesn't qualify quite for 10 meg up (we're currently at 100% RCO at 10240 if memory serves, we shouldn't be on that upstream profile), but upstream is a whole different beast. Even in my apartment that's quite possibly in the same building as the stinger, only one of my two lines qualified for 10 meg upstream.
EDIT: I should mention I have no idea what the quality of the line is beyond line stats, as we've never had telephone service. We started out with VDSL2 and VoIP from the day we moved in.
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JCohenPremium
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Nepean, ON
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said by InvalidError:said by JCohen:The distance for 50/10 is 1-1.2km.
Maybe on a perfect line. On a more average line, you can cut that in half. Even less on a stinger since those only go up to 13a while the 7330s go to 17a. I confirmed this today that 50/10 is 1-1.2km, even on a Stinger. However based on the line condition the distance will drop but it all depends on how bad the line is.
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Not sure why but my line stats show a crazy distance for 50/10:
Sync Rate: d53936.0/u11320.0 kbps
Attenuation: d27.0/u23.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 1.96~2.78km) |
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JCohenPremium
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| said by jmcneill:Not sure why but my line stats show a crazy distance for 50/10:
Sync Rate: d53936.0/u11320.0 kbps
Attenuation: d27.0/u23.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 1.96~2.78km)
The distance is being based off of your up attenuation however the attenuation is a measurement of your entire loop all the way to the CO and not just to the remote SLAM.
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| Ah that makes more sense then, thanks! |
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snark
join:2013-04-05
canada | reply to FiberToTheX
Forgive my ignorance, but is this about DSL? And if so, is signal attenuation and thus distance on a cable line an issue with the higher speeds? I don't want to anticipate 150/10 and then have my heart broken. |
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JCohenPremium
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1 edit | said by snark:Forgive my ignorance, but is this about DSL? And if so, is signal attenuation and thus distance on a cable line an issue with the higher speeds? I don't want to anticipate 150/10 and then have my heart broken.
This is for DSL and not cable. 150/10 is a cable speed and is not affected in the same way as DSL.
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said by JCohen:The distance is being based off of your up attenuation however the attenuation is a measurement of your entire loop all the way to the CO and not just to the remote SLAM.
No the attenuation is based off the remote, at my old house the ATT was 53-55, after they connected us to the remote it went down to 10.
The number is telling you how much the signal has degraded between the modem and DSLAM, in this case the remote. |
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JCohenPremium
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| said by bbwarrior:said by JCohen:The distance is being based off of your up attenuation however the attenuation is a measurement of your entire loop all the way to the CO and not just to the remote SLAM.
No the attenuation is based off the remote, at my old house the ATT was 53-55, after they connected us to the remote it went down to 10. The number is telling you how much the signal has degraded between the modem and DSLAM, in this case the remote. I know that it's supposed to be based off of the remote but for whatever reason the attenuation is measured against the entire loop. I've seen lines with the attenuation at 50-60 even though the customer was connected to a 7330 which was around 300m away from their prem, their line tested perfectly fine.
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said by jmcneill:Not sure why but my line stats show a crazy distance for 50/10:
Sync Rate: d53936.0/u11320.0 kbps
Attenuation: d27.0/u23.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 1.96~2.78km)
If I remember reading correctly you said the distance by Google Maps showed as being 280m. However it's possible that isn't the path that the copper wiring is taking and it loops in a different directions to reach the remote. Speaking of which is that a 7330 or a Stinger ? |
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