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| | Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. No Sale from this guy.
That's sad too cause I moved over to console gaming because upkeep on an up to date gaming rig was expensive.
However, I don't need to have a camera or internet to play games on a PC.
What about kids rooms?
What about people who still live in places without internet?
What happens in 10 years when they shut those Authentication servers down? | |
|  rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. Not yet, that is. There's nothing stopping any game manufacturer from requiring that your PC is connected while you play their game. I'm certainly not defending Microsoft's strategy but the same thing could happen to PC games. | |
| |  bionicRodFunkier than a mohair disco ball.Premium
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kudos:1 | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. said by rradina:Not yet, that is. There's nothing stopping any game manufacturer from requiring that your PC is connected while you play their game. I'm certainly not defending Microsoft's strategy but the same thing could happen to PC games.
It will never happen on PC, because one company doesn't control game access on the PC. Microsoft has the final say of what gets released for the console, not so for the PC. Every developer and publisher of every game would individually have to decide to make online drm mandatory. That will never happen as if this continues NOT requiring a connection will become a competitive advantage for some devs. Even if MS decided to somehow try to implement this on the PC there are other OSs that game developers and gamers would flock to. The PC is simply too open for this to happen across the board.
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| | | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. Nonsense. The PC has no natural immunity. Any game could decide to use it or not. The OP seemed to imply the PC was some sort of safe haven from connectivity. While it's true that there will probably always be a way to play connection-free games on a PC, that doesn't mean the hot titles won't require a connection. | |
| | | | bionicRodFunkier than a mohair disco ball.Premium
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kudos:1 | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. said by rradina:Nonsense. The PC has no natural immunity. Any game could decide to use it or not. The OP seemed to imply the PC was some sort of safe haven from connectivity. While it's true that there will probably always be a way to play connection-free games on a PC, that doesn't mean the hot titles won't require a connection.
Yes. Any game could decide to use it. But you won't be able to play any games at all without a connection on the next XBox if this is true. The PC is probably safe from that.
I thought you were making the argument that the PC could apply a universal always online drm requirement for every game like the next XBox (which I think is what the OP was talking about being safe from) but upon second reading I see that we are in agreement. Cheers! 
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| | | | | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. Well, we aren't safe from that either. Microsoft is currently providing the option of folks logging into a "Microsoft" account for Windows 8. While you can still change that to an "off-line" account, they could decide to remove that option from a future version. While they will have to provide a login with "cached credentials", Microsoft could tweak that to allow a cached login but eventually require a connection to re-certify it. Don't put it past them. Once they do this, game manufacturers will have all they need to tie your use of a game to a login thereby ruining any temporary safe haven the PC world might enjoy.
Of course there's no requirement for a PC game manufacturer to require a connection or tie usage to your Windows account. However, like the iOS world, MS now has a Windows store that requires their approval before software is published. If at some point 90% of the software folks buy go through that store, they'll stop allowing just ANY software to be installed on Windows just like iOS and we'll have to "jail break" Windows.
Anyone who thinks this isn't a potential future is underestimating corporate America.
Hopefully we'll always have Linux as a fallback but the secure boot stuff doesn't guarantee you'll be able to load just any Linux unless we "jail break" our hardware. | |
| | | | | | bionicRodFunkier than a mohair disco ball.Premium
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kudos:1 | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. I think we're pretty safe from that, at least for the foreseeable future. Corporate America is one thing, but you don't have to be in corporate America to develop and sell games on the PC. Anyone with the requisite knowledge can do it. One great thing about gaming on the PC is the open nature and amount of software available and the easy sharing via the internet.
If by some miracle 90% of games were bought through the Windows store (lmao) and then MS locked it down to the point of the XBox, Newell of Steam has pretty much said they would develop their Linux offering in earnest. If at some point in the future Steam somehow gained a large share of the hardware and software market and did the same thing, I believe other companies or even just independent programmers would step up and offer their own games and services. They'll find a way around.
Anything is possible I guess, but I just don't see this ever happening in general on every PC as long as there are consumers, devs and programmers passionate about gaming that do not want to be locked down like that.
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| | | | | | | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. I disagree that gaming isn't corporate America. With these kinds of numbers, this is no longer the realm of Waldo in grandma's basement.
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| | | | | | | | bionicRodFunkier than a mohair disco ball.Premium
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kudos:1 | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. Of course corporate America has a presence in gaming. I never said it didn't. The same big publishers and devs operate in both the console and PC formats. The difference is the absolute explosion of small independent developers (not to mention the modding, free to play and kickstarter communities) that the PC has enjoyed over the last decade and that the consoles do not have access to due to their locked down nature. Sure, a few of these independent games are available on consoles after being approved by MS and Sony, but there are hundreds if not thousands more available on the PC, from simple flash games to deep RPGs to online multiplayer shooters that will never see the light of day on a console.
BTW, you are correct in your Waldo statement. I wasn't aware that stereotype was still active. Most PC gamers on this site and in real life that I have spoken with are professionals with careers, homes, and families.
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| | | | | | | | | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. I wasn't using the stereotype toward PC gamers. I meant it in the context of a reclusive, emotionally unstable code genius pounding keys for 18 hours a day while consuming Twinkies, hot dogs and Mountain Dew (or whatever today's favorite stimulant drink might be). While something like Angry Birds is possible from this realm, it's just not feasible for an individual to create the cinematic-like productions that are today's modern, immersive, life-like games. These games have human voice-overs and martial arts actors that create fluid motion wire frames by acting out scenes in black suits with white dots. Dozens of artists create virtual sets and as the hardware advances, it will be ever harder to distinguish between the reality created by a game and the latest big-screen Daniel Craig James Bond installment.
Although I don't think of Romero or Carmack as grandma's basement dwellers, the days of creating a revolutionary game engine that results in wildly popular, but graphics-crude first person shooters are gone. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. said by rradina:I wasn't using the stereotype toward PC gamers. I meant it in the context of a reclusive, emotionally unstable code genius pounding keys for 18 hours a day while consuming Twinkies, hot dogs and Mountain Dew (or whatever today's favorite stimulant drink might be). While something like Angry Birds is possible from this realm, it's just not feasible for an individual to create the cinematic-like productions that are today's modern, immersive, life-like games. These games have human voice-overs and martial arts actors that create fluid motion wire frames by acting out scenes in black suits with white dots. Dozens of artists create virtual sets and as the hardware advances, it will be ever harder to distinguish between the reality created by a game and the latest big-screen Daniel Craig James Bond installment.
Although I don't think of Romero or Carmack as grandma's basement dwellers, the days of creating a revolutionary game engine that results in wildly popular, but graphics-crude first person shooters are gone.
Do you game on the PC? If you do, you'd know that those huge budget blockbusters are only a fraction of the games available (as I have pointed out). Steam alone has literally hundreds of games that are not developed by huge studios, but by smaller studios or are funded directly by fans via kickstarter or microtransactions. Huge console games + Angry Birds does not equal the totality of gaming. Check out MechWarrior Online, Path of Exile, any of the F2P MMOs, League of Legends (or any of the other MOBAs), Legend of Grimrock, Orcs Must Die 1 and 2, Blacklight: Retribution, The Witcher (originated on the PC), etcetera etcetera etcetera. There are many many many more.
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| | | | | | | | | | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. I don't game anymore. I play a few Kinect games with my kids but they do the gaming in the house.
My middle son loves Steam. Plays it all the time (he might even be addicted to it). My youngest plays Roblox and before that Minecraft. The oldest son is more worried about his car, his job and figuring how where he's going to college.
You mention the blockbuster games are only a fraction. Is that in terms of sales or just quantity? | |
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| Yes Apple has there main apps for iOS via the store mostly now. However thats mainly for the iPhone. They are now including more of there OS support via the store as well for there PCs in OSX 10.7/8. However, you can still install non store listed applications from anywhere. Just be aware that in 10.8, you have to disable the Apple Store Approved Install only option to install non approved Apple store software. I stumbled across it when attempting to install Meteorologist in the 10.8. The install said that it was not approved application thus it would not install unless I changed these options.
I could see Apple going this route too if they remove this option and make only Apple approved software available thru the store. If so, will be a sad day. | |
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| said by rradina:Not yet, that is. There's nothing stopping any game manufacturer from requiring that your PC is connected while you play their game. I'm certainly not defending Microsoft's strategy but the same thing could happen to PC games.
There's a difference between individual games requiring online, and it being required at the system level. | |
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| said by buzz_4_20:No Sale from this guy.
That's sad too cause I moved over to console gaming because upkeep on an up to date gaming rig was expensive.
However, I don't need to have a camera or internet to play games on a PC.
What about kids rooms?
What about people who still live in places without internet?
What happens in 10 years when they shut those Authentication servers down?
I thought that as well, until I tried playing a game that uses steam to check DRM. Then I was "warned" that I have to put Steam in offline mode while connected to the internet. Then I could play my game, offline, with no issue.
DRM is getting to be a real PIA.
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| | | I'm with you! I won't buy this crap either. It's a big deal on principle.
I had the same problem with authentication servers on a HD DVD of Terminator 2. I can watch the standard version, but I can not watch the HD version of the movie because the auth server was shut down.
Also, there aren't very many places without the internet, but there are places where the speeds are slow or aren't always on... I have relatives who live in places where they cannot get cable or DSL, so they have dialup. That certainly doesn't seem like it would work for this... | |
|  elios
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Springfield, MO | you dont have Wi-Fi? the 720 has Wi-Fi built in | |
| |  aaronwtPremium
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| Re: Manditory Kinect, now Manditiory Internet Connection. said by elios:you dont have Wi-Fi? the 720 has Wi-Fi built in
The current Xbox has had wireless built in since the Slim version was released. | |
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united state | Count me out this Gen as well.
Always on Internet connection? i'll pass
Sony isn't any better, they just like to remove features from their console after purchase...like advertising the PS3 with the ability to install Linux and then removing that feature....No thanks to Sony either...
Sony is just as bad as MS
its why i went to Steam and PC...games are cheaper, lots of sales, I can use Steam in Offline mode if i want to...once i authorize it I don't even need an internet connection to the PC at all for my games to work...
Count me out this Gen...im not buying either one of them. | |
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