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TheSMJ

join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI
reply to TheSMJ

Re: Should I run RG6 or skip it?

Well now, I was hoping for responses telling me I didn't need to run RG6, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to run a couple drops to the family room and leave them in the box unterminated.

Is there anything I should look out for when buying RG6 cable? I've seen both $35 500' spools, and $50+ 500' spools at Home Depot. Is there any real difference between the two?



Arrgh Gee 6

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Get quad-shield.


MrFixit1

join:1999-11-26
Madison, WI
reply to TheSMJ

"Is there any real difference between the two?"
If they are from the same manufacturer , there should be .
Looking at Home Depot's site , seems one is dual shield and one is quad .
Link to a little info on types ( not a recommendation of the vender , since I have never used them )»www.cablewholesale.com/support/t···ner.html
Best rg6 would be quad shield solid copper core , but that is way overkill !
Would recommend a mid-grade cable , since the price difference will not be much compared to the work you will put into installing it



DarkLogix
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join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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reply to TheSMJ

IMO run RG6QS, because IF you or someone ever uses it you don't want it to have to be replaced due to going cheepo.

Also I'd go ahead and use some keystone jacks to term them, if you just leave it in the wall only you will know its there.

I'd just go ahead and get a small electrical box and a grounding block

Might as well do it right instead of half-a**ed so if you or someone ever want to use it you don't have a sat or CTV installer just doing their own thing because your work wasn't done or was forgotten about.

So I'd put a grounding block where ever you imagine a CTV might come to enter the home and ground it to the breaker box.

Then have a cable from there go to the attic (or basement) and have a small electrical box (or whatever you want to use to organize the cables)

No need to term the ends at the aggregate location just be sure they're tidy and its clear what is what.

Then if/when you want to use it its ready to easily be finished and used.
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..

join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
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Yeah, what everyone else said. Run it! Just as it was common to have a TV antenna on your roof in the 70's and 80's, today its going to be a common thing to see homes wired for Cable/Internet service.



Daarken
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join:2005-01-12
Southwest LA
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reply to DarkLogix

Darklogix is 100% right.
Do it right the 1st time, and don't do it half-a$$. Even if you don't terminate and just provide keystone jacks, it still will be worth more in the future.
Also depending on how open your walls are, spend the extra few hours and run it to the bedrooms as well.
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ke4pym
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join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
reply to Arrgh Gee 6

said by Arrgh Gee 6 :

Get quad-shield.

For the typical in-home wall runs, this isn't necessary or even useful.

Ostracus

join:2011-09-05
Henderson, KY

Indeed. Is there that much a price differential? I ask because my supplier only has quad.


TheSMJ

join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI

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reply to CUBS_FAN

As a matter of fact, the house does have 300-ohm twin lead wire going to each room and is connected to an old antenna in the attic. However, the wire is in pretty bad shape with the insulation cracking and peeling all over the place. I've been removing the connectors in each room and reusing the boxes for Ethernet.

I may as well run a couple RG6 drops to the family room, one in each bedroom and MAYBE two in the master bedroom. I'll just follow the same paths I used for the CAT6 and have it all end at the CAT6 patch panel. I'll leave everything unterminated for now and buy keystone jacks for it later on.



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said by TheSMJ:

As a matter of fact, the house does have 300-ohm twin lead wire going to each room and is connected to an old antenna in the attic.

That's funny because I discovered an antenna preserved in perfect condition in the crawl space attic above my single level home. I saw some twin lead 300 ohm in the basement and I traced it up to the attic.


cableties
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join:2005-01-27
reply to ke4pym

said by ke4pym:

said by Arrgh Gee 6 :

Get quad-shield.

For the typical in-home wall runs, this isn't necessary or even useful.

Actually, with the higher speed data, and having choice what room to locate a cablemodem, quadshield is the ONLY choice.

I'd pull a fish tape with each incase something else is needed in those rooms...but that is me.
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said by cableties:

said by ke4pym:

said by Arrgh Gee 6 :

Get quad-shield.

For the typical in-home wall runs, this isn't necessary or even useful.

Actually, with the higher speed data, and having choice what room to locate a cablemodem, quadshield is the ONLY choice.

I'd pull a fish tape with each incase something else is needed in those rooms...but that is me.

Perhaps if you live next to a TV transmitter or if there is a $3 difference between DS and QS cable or you're buying less-than-high-quality-cable-from-China (read: copper-claded center core). The better built DS cable will smoke the cheaper built QS stuff floating around on the web in the interference rejection department. Or you're running 300-500 foot runs (which then you should step up to RG11).

Otherwise, there's no need for QS in a home.

As far as data speed - DirecTV recommends RG6 solid-copper-center-conductor dual-shield with 60% braid coverage or better, swept-tested to 3 GHz. Even though they only use about 2.1GHz of that. Your cable modem isn't going to get anywhere *close* to using that kind of bandwidth (DOCSIS 3, with 8 channels used is only using 48MHz of bandwidth).

As for personal experience, I've installed 3, 1000 foot rolls of Perfect Vision DS and have yet to have a problem. With any of it.

edit - I, apparently don't know the difference between your and you're. Fixed it.

edit #2 - Comment on cable modem BW and here's a very good read on QS/DS cables:
»www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/···ding.htm


mackey

join:2007-08-20
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said by ke4pym:

(DOCSIS 3, with 8 channels used is only using 48MHz of bandwidth)

While your modem might only use a 48MHz wide chunk, that doesn't mean it isn't located north of 700MHz or the cable company is only using a single group of 8 channels.

+1 to the "don't by cheap Chinese junk cable" though

/M


54067323

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to ke4pym

said by ke4pym:

For the typical in-home wall runs, this isn't necessary or even useful.

The CATV sub-contractors (Comcast) I have had to deal with will not connect to pre-wired coax that is not quad.


54067323

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL

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reply to ke4pym

said by ke4pym:

Perhaps if you live next to a TV transmitter or if there is a $3 difference between DS and QS cable or you're buying less-than-high-quality-cable-from-China (read: copper-claded center core).

For what it is worth the majority of RG-6 utilizes BCCS Bare Copper Covered Steel which is required to provide the strength needed for the center conductor to be used as a plug when terminated with an F connector?

The reason the BSSC works is RF does not flow through the center conductor but actually travels down the copper plating by what is known as the skin effect.

This is an example of what I am referring to, it’s a name brand coax (branded Honeywell) and note the rare earth magnet stuck to the center conductor.







Another example is attached.

»www.belden.com/techdatas/metric/9116.pdf

To be quite frank, about the only time a solid copper conductor is required is with CCTV cabling where it is needed handle the baseband frequencies of a video signal.