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humanfilth

join:2013-02-14

warrant/gag

So they give your company a warrant for data, which also includes a gag order.

Feds: I have a blanket warrant here which includes this gag order.

you: What warrant?

Feds: This blanket warrant here which includes this gag order.

you: What warrant?

Feds: This blanket warrant here with, oh goddamnitsomuch!!!!

Feds: So here is a blanket warrant without a gag order then. [while holding gag order behind his back for after data release]

you: Well first just let me notify every employee here over this loud speaker and scan this blanket warrant and put it online to 100 sites.

Feds: You are making us very angry!!!!

you: Well maybe if you obeyed constitutional law then, otherwise get lost and don't even think about arresting me(wow look at that camera watching/listening to us and uploading to multiple places) for obstruction to get that data, as you are not operating within the bounds of Constitutional law.

Heres the thing, some investigations need to be kept quiet and the warrant should show that along with the specific crime committed. So you are then signing some sort of order from a Judge(or going in front of him) to not tell for 30+ days and then you can blab.

A basic thing with warrants: You can check/dispute it for legality before obeying it. That includes an officer at your door demanding to come in, even though he is at the wrong address/name.
Call the courts/Judge for authenticity, as there should be a signing Judges name on it.
Check the crime committed on it, as there should be a crime being investigated and not just, 'dude shagged my ex-wife, so I'm here to make his life hell'.

A blanket warrant is not really legal, as it will not specify what evidence is being sought.
ex: serve a warrant for graffiti artist spray cans, and find a baggie of pot, so since it was only spray cans being sought, the pot gets confiscated but ignored by the law(there are exceptions to that, like if an unwilling sex slave is found and you can't ignore that).

chi_mo

join:2004-11-23
Fort Worth, TX

you: Well first just let me notify every employee here over this loud speaker and scan this blanket warrant and put it online to 100 sites.

Feds: You are making us very angry!!!!
That is a good one! I wonder how long you could stall with that tactic before they just "cuff you and stuff you" for being so uncooperative?


humanfilth

join:2013-02-14

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Well thats the point of sarcasm

There is so much stuff going on with abuses of the 'justifiable laws' that people are very afraid of saying anything due to being threatened by 'secrecy' or you'll rot in this cell for months on charges of "DO AS YOU ARE TOLD MAGGOT".

Number one way to make people do something for you even though its illegal?
Threaten them.
Deportation. Suspicion of being a drug mule(shout out to the New York PD!!).
Its a shame you fell down the stairs and died. Lots of threats to keep the people submissive.

Don't forget that a "blanket warrant" means that they are suspicious of an illegal act may be happening, but they have no court admissible evidence of an illegal act, so they need the "blanket warrant" to get in and go through everything to find that illegal act. Even if the illegal act does not exist.

Theres a data base of employees of big chain stores who are 'suspected of stealing' without any police involvement. Some may not even know that they were suspected of theft. It means the next company that hires you, will not because you are on the list.
»www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/busin···fts.html



Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
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said by humanfilth:

Don't forget that a "blanket warrant" means that they are suspicious of an illegal act may be happening, but they have no court admissible evidence of an illegal act, so they need the "blanket warrant" to get in and go through everything to find that illegal act. Even if the illegal act does not exist.

It is impotant to note that a fishing "warrant" would still need to be signed by a judge. In these cases, there is no warrant at all. There is just a "letter", written by a prosecutor, which bars the recipient from even asking a judge to review it.
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