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1 edit | ATF Wants Massive Online Database to Find Out Your Friends! »www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04···atabase/ from »hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1755212
"The ATF doesn’t just want a huge database to reveal everything about you with a few keywords. It wants one that can find out who you know. And it won’t even try to friend you on Facebook first..."
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kudos:1 | Re: ATF Wants 145;Massive146; Online Database to Find Out Your F A few years ago, I seem to recall a post that was about a company wanting to create a massive database of people who knew each other, and who they knew. It was using phone numbers as I recall. When I read that, I knew it was a whole new ballgame.
That said, I'm sure the outpouring from teleco's, ISP's, and social media will have their wish-list in order very quickly.
A major concern of this is, it seems to be yet another 'guilt by association' database. It makes me wonder what safeguards are built-in.
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Re: ATF Wants Massive Online Database to Find Out Your Friends! i don't think you need any "guilt by association" but, rather, that everyone is considered to be "the enemy".. why is the government so paranoid about everyone, unless they are the enemy of everyone?
as far a database of associations, that sounds like a job for facebook.. |
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1 edit | said by redwolfe_98:...but, rather, that everyone is considered to be "the enemy"... /sarcasm on
No no. It's all to
• Protect the children.
• Protect us from terrorists.
It's has nothing to do with creating an all knowing gummint!
»IRS checking out your Facebook and twitter....
/sarcasm off
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said by redwolfe_98:as far a database of associations, that sounds like a job for facebook.. +1
Yup, FB is the master of getting sheeple to tell everyone everything for free. Plus Bob gets a copy as well.
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kudos:1 | This information is available because our government is more transparent then ever before.  |
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said by redwolfe_98:i don't think you need any "guilt by association" but, rather, that everyone is considered to be "the enemy".. why is the government so paranoid about everyone, unless they are the enemy of everyone?
as far a database of associations, that sounds like a job for facebook..
Heck If I was the govt I sure as heck wouldnt trust a population thats arming itself to the teeth.
Secret govt conversation.. "Game on mutherphoquers, you might have guns but we know where your money is and who your screwing haha. We wont even need the army.
Hey didnt the ATF kick some ass down there a while ago. Burned some nuts compound to the ground. I bet you there were WMD and alquaeda types in that compound too. Nothing like some Homeland Defence to brighten the day. I really applaud there use of scanners at airports, these days one never knows what some perps is hiding up their butt crack. Much better to take a picture than to have to lube every tom dick and hairy......
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said by antdude:http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/atf-database/ from »hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1755212
"The ATF doesn’t just want a huge database to reveal everything about you with a few keywords. It wants one that can find out who you know. And it won’t even try to friend you on Facebook first..."
They want to pay someone to create the database, not to create it themselves. quote:
According to a recent solicitation from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the bureau is looking to buy a “massive online data repository system” for its Office of Strategic Intelligence and Information (OSII). The system is intended to operate for at least five years, and be able to process automated searches of individuals, and “find connection points between two or more individuals” by linking together “structured and unstructured data.”
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The bureau is seeking to buy an existing database system and not fund the development of a completely new one. And it has to be reliable and work all the time. That includes 24-hour tech support for agents pulling those coffee-fueled all-nighter investigations. It’s also not an anti-terrorism tool and isn’t intended to “quickly respond to problems, threats, etc.”
Which means tax money will go to ATF to pay to a private vendor to create a database of information from other public and private sources. In other words, the information will be available to the private sector. Not you and me, of course, but those with enough $ to make money off it.
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said by Hank:This information is available because our government is more transparent then ever before.
Sure is.
\sarcasm off
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said by fatness:, but those with enough $ to make money off it.
Ahh but thats capitalism. Let it flourish. |
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| Yes, in terms of taxpayer money, taxpayer privacy, lack of taxpayer access to compiled data, and increased scrutiny of taxpayers as a result of the data compilation.
Plus more targeted ads!!!!
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| Sure. In other words you (the taxpayer) pays to have the gummint pay someone else to gather and collate data about you (the taxpayer).
Or, if you prefer, you can give it to them for free via Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter etc. But you'll pay anyway (via taxes).
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said by redwolfe_98:as far a database of associations, that sounds like a job for facebook..
or any of the data brokers that would mine facebook
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Does that database contain the average yearly number of hairs that are shed by chimps!  THe information could be devestating. |
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said by StuartMW:.....Or, if you prefer, you can give it to them for free via Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter etc. But you'll pay anyway (via taxes).
I don't give them squat unless they're interested in things like my dog eating a package of Peeps or pooping in the bathroom inappropriately (most of my friends are dog people, so that takes up most of our conversations).
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| said by La Luna:...unless they're interested in things like my dog eating a package of Peeps... Well if a law is ever passed making feeding dogs Peeps illegal they'll know where to find you.
And that's the point. One can never know how all this information will be used against you sometime in the future.
Here's a specific example for you. Suppose you apply for some job but the employer hates dogs. In this day and age they'll find your FB page. You'll never know, if you don't get the job, whether that was a factor or not.
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I propose that the facility be called "The Kevin Bacon Center for Individual Interconnectedness".  |
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