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Andy from CA
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reply to chachazz

Re: [WIN8] Windows 'Blue' to be Windows 8.1

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be



jtudor
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Seems like I read somewhere that Windows Blue would be a subscription model, with annual renewal.

Is that still part of the plan? If so, I will skip on Blue (8.1) unless it is forced on me.
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Mele20
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reply to Andy from CA

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

»www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows···0014075/

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aurgathor

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quote:
Microsoft officials have publicly maintained that users are not confused by the new Windows 8 interface and that they find it "easy to start to learn,"
Yeah, right.

And I have dozens of MS buildings for sale in Redmond.

quote:
especially on touch screens.
OK, it's somewhat easier on a comparatively small touch screen.
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BillRoland
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

»www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows···0014075/

Would I be pushing my luck to hope they restore Aero Glass?
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Mele20
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I doubt Microsoft will do that. But you can follow this very long thread which is about Aero glass for Win 8 in beta:

»www.msfn.org/board/topic/161788-···_st__760
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Octavean
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

»www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows···0014075/

I consider Mary Jo Foley and her sources credible but to be fair she was talking in terms of "if" so even if its likely its not definitive even by her own words.


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reply to chachazz

Windows software in general :"releasing software full of bugs which will force users to upgrade for years"
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Andy from CA
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

»www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows···0014075/

Excellent news, Mahalo!

Mele20
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reply to Octavean

She wasn't the only source that is saying this.



Octavean
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said by Mele20:

She wasn't the only source that is saying this.

What is your point?

said by Mele20:

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

»www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows···0014075/

All I was says was that Mary Jo Foley didn't state it as an undisputed fact but rather was talking in terms of "if" or probabilities. That's it,...

You're statement about what she said with respect to booting to the desktop was overstated.

Mele20
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You and I read different articles I guess. So.....

I can't imagine how you could not understand my point in stating that many articles have said the same thing.

There are very few absolute certainties in life. Microsoft could declare bankruptcy and not even release Windows 8.1.



chachazz
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Microsoft's Blue: What will developers do?
Mary Jo Foley - April 22, 2013

If Microsoft brings back the Start Button and adds a boot-to-desktop option with Windows Blue, should Windows developers still be counting on Metro as their future?

quote:
Since I blogged last week about Microsoft mulling the return of the Start Button and a boot-directly-to-desktop option in Windows Blue, I've heard from a number of developers wondering what the latest Windows plan means for them.
..continue reading.
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sivran
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reply to Mele20

Start button, but no menu. Heh.



Andy from CA
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said by sivran:

Start button, but no menu. Heh.

If that's true why have the start button at all? If it doesn't act like the start button of old it may as well trigger a sound effect like a buzzer or that "wha wha whaaaah!" when you guess and get it wrong.

It's Microsoft's Lucy & the football. Sorry Charlie.


Octavean
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

You and I read different articles I guess. So.....

I can't imagine how you could not understand my point in stating that many articles have said the same thing.

There are very few absolute certainties in life. Microsoft could declare bankruptcy and not even release Windows 8.1.

said by Mele20:

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

We read the same article from Mary Jo Foley and that is what I was referring to.

Mary Jo Foley stated it as a possibility to be able to boot to the desktop but you essentially worded it as a factual inevitability according to her.

Its a subtle point but one worth making. I'm sorry if you can't see that.

Either the functionality will be there or it wont but since Mary Jo is a professional and took time to say whatever it was she intended to say, I see no reason to put words in her mouth.

Mele20
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I said what I said not what you persist in saying I said. Talk about putting your words in someone else's mouth...geez.

You read a different article.
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Octavean
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3 edits

What you said is in the quote:

said by Mele20:

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

You didn't say she said you might be able to,...you said she said "will be able to",...

Maybe you did not read the Mary Jo Foley article you linked to (that would explain a few things), fine.

I was only referring to that article and you're quoted statement above of what Mary Jo said. Mary Jo Foley did not say "you will be able to boot directly to the desktop" in that linked article. Thats a definite statement that you asserted on your own. If you were citing other articles when you said this you should have said that then rather then saying Mary Jo Foley said it and providing a link where she did "not" say it.

That is the only point I was making.

I think its a fairly clear point too.

Rather then addressing that, you're going off on a vague tangent of other articles,....


JohnInSJ
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

said by Andy from CA:

Just give me back my start button (menus) and I'll be

According to Mary Jo Foley, you will be able to boot directly to the desktop and probably also the start button will be brought back as an option.

»www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows···0014075/

But according to MJF, the start button will just be the button, not the menu. And possibly not on "home" versions of the OS. Maybe. If it comes out at all. (Per the 20 minute discussion she and Paul T. had about this on the Windows Weekly Podcast this past thursday)
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robman50

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If I had bought the digital download of Win 8 Pro, would I have to pay anything to get Win 8.1 Pro?



aurgathor

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»[WIN8] Windows 8.1 will be a Free Upgrade


robman50

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Awesome! Thanks! I have seemed to missed that one. lol



sivran
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said by JohnInSJ:

But according to MJF, the start button will just be the button, not the menu. And possibly not on "home" versions of the OS. Maybe. If it comes out at all. (Per the 20 minute discussion she and Paul T. had about this on the Windows Weekly Podcast this past thursday)

Which again, presumably means that instead of being stuck in the one corner, the button will move with the taskbar. 'cus, y'know, the button is still there.

I think either Microsoft misunderstands that people want the button with its attached menu, or Microsoft IS delivering the attached menu and everyone else just misunderstands that.

I kinda doubt the latter.
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Racerbob
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I know that this has been said before...but I would not be using Windows 8 unless Classic Shell was available. Microsoft continues to miss the boat as to what the majority of their customers want and what they want is a full featured start menu with a button. Windows 8 is fine. I like it, but I must confess that I do not really use many apps...if any. But combined with my recent SSD install in my i7 laptop, Windows 8 is fast, stable, and nice. Boots up in seconds. But in other forums I visit, the overwhelming feeling is that people will not use Windows 8 on their systems. They dislike Metro and could care less about upgrading from what they currently are using. Even with 8.1 I do not think that Microsoft is understanding what their customers desire.

»www.neowin.net/news/ouch-windows···era-lows


robman50

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reply to chachazz

When MS releases 8.1, I assume it will come through Windows Updates? Also MS will post an link to an .iso image or and self extracting .exe file?
They put out an iso of XP SP3 and the rest of the service packs where an exe file.
Than maybe they will integrate 8.1 in to 8 and ship it out in stores later in the year?



Octavean
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I think the purpose of adding the "Start button" in Windows 8.1 would serve the intended function of a visual cue (to the much bemoaned "Start Screen") since many seem to be totally lost when first using Windows 8.

I hear there will also be an enhanced tutorial to help acclimate new users.

Anyway, I don't think that its a simple matter of Microsoft not getting the big picture. I think its more that their vision of "their big picture" included the changes made in Windows 8 and the direction they want to go in. They don't seem to want to give up on that so they are still pushing it and may continue to do so beyond Windows 8.1. We'll have to see though,....

Personally I don't see why Microsoft can't compromise a little. I suspect that Microsoft could create a Metro capable Start menu option. Sizable Live tiles on a Start Menu (with Start Screen toggle) triggered by a traditional Start Button doesn't seem like all that much of a problem. Top it off with sizable Metro apps that wont take up the whole screen and it should go a long way with respect to mending fences,...

The road they are on now may vilify the new UI that they seem to be pinning their hopes on.


Mele20
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reply to robman50

It will be in Windows Store not released via WU and probably no ISO image to link to. It's free only to those who already have Windows 8 and is more like the 98SE Updates (which was NOT the same as 98SE as the latter was a full version of Windows and the former was not) that Microsoft issued for those who bought 98 during a specified period before 98SE was released.
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robman50

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I did purchase Windows 8 from the Windows Store and burned that ISO do DVD. But how ever, I just purchased an laptop with Windows 8 preloaded, so could I still get 8.1? I guess it would want to go in and check the OEM product key?



Octavean
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It seems likely that there would be some validation process of sorts but basically if you have an activated Windows 8 license and can get to the Windows Store built into Windows 8 one would think you're good to go.

Overall though, given Microsoft's intentions to upgrade Windows annually rather then a three year cycle, it would seem that past patterns of operation may no longer be valid.



aurgathor

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reply to robman50

said by robman50:

I did purchase Windows 8 from the Windows Store and burned that ISO do DVD. But how ever, I just purchased an laptop with Windows 8 preloaded, so could I still get 8.1? I guess it would want to go in and check the OEM product key?

Chances are good that the installer will just check for a valid Win8 license, and if it finds one, installs Win8.1 without any hassle

However, you may want to pay attention to possible changes in licensing terms -- *if* the subscription rumors are true, even free may not worth it.
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