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Re: [Serious] The sad face of social media said by Grappler:said by urbanriot: Rape kits weren't around until the late 90's and even then, it wasn't federal.
Rape and now Sexual Assault has always been a Federal Crime, enacted within the Criminal Code of Canada. Rape Kits have been around since at least 1975 when I conducted my first investigation. All crimes are federal. |
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said by A Lurker:I don't remember the 'oh my god she's such a slut because she got raped' said to victims. Of course not, because you weren't as connected globally to backwater towns for the news as you are today.
I don't hear that kind of talk today either. If I did, I'd probably slug someone as hard as I could or worse if they were referring to a 15 year old girl. |
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Calgary, AB
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said by dirtyjeffer:how does that compare with "back then"?
You do know that the numbers "back then" would be substantially lower than today. Back then, sex crimes were woefully underreported thanks to the same societal pressures that this young lady faced. |
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»warrenkinsella.com/2013/04/an-op···parsons/
Wow. Is he asking them to do something which might be unlawful?
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"The RCMP, who allegedly investigated, are led in Nova Scotia by Alphonse MacNeil. He calls himself a “consensus builder” and has two daughters. I’m sure you could find his email address if you needed to.
The Nova Scotia government, which agreed with – and energetically defended – the RCMP’s decision to do nothing about the rape or the child pornography, is led by NDP leader Darrell Dexter. Interestingly, he represents Cole Harbour in the provincial legislature. His email isn’t readily available, either, but I know you’ll find that, too.
His Attorney-General is Ross Landry. Yesterday, Landry refused to reopen the case; by the afternoon, he had seemingly changed his tune. His constituency office email is here. I don’t know what his email is.
The names of the little bastards who did this, and who are still alive and walk free in Cole Harbour, are unknown to most of us. But, as in the Steubenville, Ohio case, I am certain anyone who is sufficiently motivated can find out who the little bastards are, and name and shame them.
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 vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Halifax, NS
kudos:1 | Our local news station news957.com is now reporting the hacker group Anonymous has identified ALL four boys involved in the rape. They are requesting the RCMP take action NOW or the names will be released online... |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
join:2007-12-07
Halifax, NS
kudos:1 | RCMP watching Anonymous after threats to reveal names in Rehtaeh Parsons case...
»globalnews.ca/news/470147/rcmp-w···ns-case/
So it's OK for the media to disclose the name of a young victim but not the name of young offenders...
Once again the legal system is more concerned about the rights of offenders than victims... |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
join:2007-12-07
Halifax, NS
kudos:1 | reply to A Lurker
said by A Lurker:said by urbanriot:And how many rapes happen in this same town today? 5 year averages: 160 sex offences /yr 2 murders / yr 2 attempted murders / yr 966 assaults / yr Actually pretty impressed the figures are so easily available on the city police website. 20 or 30 years ago on a warm summer's eve I would remove the hardtop from my Corvette and take a late night cruise through the city. I'm talking 11:00pm to midnight. And there would be no problems...
Today I would even think of driving my Buick downtown at midnight let alone my topless Corvette...
Halifax used to be a very friendly town with little violence... Now it's a cesspool for gun violence and an haven for punks, thugs and brigands... |
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said by vue666:So it's OK for the media to disclose the name of a young victim but not the name of young offenders... I believe her mother made her name known after her suicide. |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Halifax, NS
kudos:1 | That is correct...
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Operation Justice For Rehtaeh ---- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Anonymous engaged #OpJustice4Rataeh this morning in response to the suicide of Rehtaeh Parsons. Justice Minister Ross Landy says that it is important for Nova Scotians to have faith in their justice system. Mr. Landy, justice is in your hands.
Anonymous has confirmed the identities of two of the four alleged rapists. We are currently confirming a third and it is only a matter of time before the fourth is identified as well.
Our demands are simple: We want the N.S. RCMP to take immediate legal action against the individuals in question. We encourage you to act fast. If we were able to locate these boys within 2 hours, it will not be long before someone else finds them.
We do not approve of vigilante justice as the media claims. That would mean we approve of violent actions against these rapists at the hands of an unruly mob. What we want is justice. And That's your job. So do it.
The names of the rapists will be kept until it is apparent you have no intention of providing justice to Retaeh's family. Please be aware that there are other groups of Anons also attempting to uncover this information and they may not to wish to wait at all. Better act fast.
Be aware that we will be organizing large demonstrations outside of your headquarters. The rapists will be held accountable for their actions. You will be held accountable for your failure to act.
That is all
- We Are Anonymous.
The Corrupt Fear Us.
The Honest Support Us.
The Heroic Join Us.
Expect Justice.
Contact: opjustice4rehtaeh@hushmail.com
#OpJustice4Rehtaeh
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Hey, to stop all this bullying idea wouldn't it be great to have "Anti-Bullying" laws?
This way we can also censor things said across the internet, true or not and politicians can avoid any kind of public scrutiny because its bullying! |
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Does anybody else find it ironic that some cowards are trying to bully the RCMP to press charges they apparently have no proof to support in a case involving bullying? |
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said by CanadianRip:Hey, to stop all this bullying idea wouldn't it be great to have "Anti-Bullying" laws?
Concerning laws, I think it would be a great idea to make it extremely illegal for a young person to distribute pictures of another young person engaged in sexual acts. A lot of people consider it a hot potato for a teen to send another teen 'child porn' but we really should amp up the criminal nature of such acts.
It should be so dangerous for a teen to photograph a sexual act or send another teen a picture of them messing around with another teen, that no teen would ever consider it. That is not the case right now. |
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Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | said by urbanriot: Concerning laws, I think it would be a great idea to make it extremely illegal for a young person to distribute pictures of another young person engaged in sexual acts. It's already illegal; it's known as "trafficking in child pornography" It should be so dangerous for a teen to photograph a sexual act or send another teen a picture of them messing around with another teen, that no teen would ever consider it. |
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This post features an interview with the mother on CBC:
»gawker.com/5994329/anonymous-thr···cialflow
It also explains how the hacker group Anonymous threatened to release the identity of the boys unless the RCMP acted.
This is so sad and tragic.  |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:Of course I have. I know how they think well enough that you need to really consider what I'm trying to communicate here as your response suggests you don't. You're suggesting that teenagers might consider the consequences of their actions if those consequences be sufficiently severe; I think that's a (sadly) losing proposition. |
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said by IamGimli:Does anybody else find it ironic that some cowards are trying to bully the RCMP to press charges they apparently have no proof to support in a case involving bullying?
Anonymous has been responsible for countless leaks and actions that led to positive outcomes in the past 5 years.
You may not like their methods, but they're good at what they do. Exposing the truth. |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
join:2007-12-07
Halifax, NS
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said by Steve:said by urbanriot:Of course I have. I know how they think well enough that you need to really consider what I'm trying to communicate here as your response suggests you don't. You're suggesting that teenagers might consider the consequences of their actions if those consequences be sufficiently severe; I think that's a (sadly) losing proposition. So by your logic weakening our laws will have the desired results?
IMO making young people aware of the consequences of their actions and holding them accountable is something which should not only be done by parents but taught in schools as well...
Education and enlightenment is a tool that is seldom considered in the fight against crime... |
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said by Steve:said by urbanriot:Of course I have. I know how they think well enough that you need to really consider what I'm trying to communicate here as your response suggests you don't. You're suggesting that teenagers might consider the consequences of their actions if those consequences be sufficiently severe; I think that's a (sadly) losing proposition. When the threat is dire enough, yes, they will consider the consequences. |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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kudos:5 | said by urbanriot: When the threat is dire enough, yes, they will consider the consequences. In many places in the United States, the penalty for possession and trafficking of child pornography is jail and lifetime public registration as a sex offender. Maybe it's not so bad in Canada.
But once kids start drinkin' and the pack mentality sets in, consideration of those consequences mostly goes out the window, so texts fly when the clothes come off where was this when I was a kid???? |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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kudos:1 | reply to A Lurker
So Steve what is your suggestion? Status quo? Weaken the laws? |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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kudos:5 | said by vue666:So Steve what is your suggestion? Status quo? Weaken the laws? Enforce existing laws and stop giving kids a pass when they participate or sanction this behavior. |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Is that what Urbanriot was suggesting? Yet you took him to task? |
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said by Steve:But once kids start drinkin' and the pack mentality sets in, consideration of those consequences mostly goes out the window Sure, and then teens throughout Canada go out and rape, murder, steal and commit all sorts of harmful acts upon society. Or do they? |
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said by TigerLord:Anonymous has been responsible for countless leaks and actions that led to positive outcomes in the past 5 years.
You may not like their methods, but they're good at what they do. Exposing the truth.
They've also wrongfully accused people (and declared they didn't care if they did), which is exactly why we have laws that protect people's privacy.
They're nothing but a bunch of coward criminals buying public sympathy using highly emotional situations to their advantage. I despise them as much as every other criminal. |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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Yorba Linda, CA
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said by vue666:Is that what Urbanriot was suggesting? Yet you took him to task? Are we reading the same thread? said by urbanriot:Concerning laws, I think it would be a great idea to make it extremely illegal for a young person to distribute pictures of another young person engaged in sexual acts. Ratcheting up the criminal penalties when existing tools are underutilized is attempting to throw law books at the problem.
After enough close-in exposure to teenaged behavior, I came to realize that deterrence is a very weak motivator. It's not that kids make some kind of risk-benefit tradeoff, it's that they rarely consider consequences at all.
The really bad kids, the ones who are narcissistic and with no regard for others, will be hard to reach no matter what the penalties are. But I suppose that going after kids around the edges (not participating in the hard-core behavior, but condoning it) may help whittle down the pack mentality.
I'd dearly love to read about some high school, one with a long proud tradition of sports champions, cancelling an entire season of football because a victory celebration got out of hand and half the team was involved in something like a gang bang.
Maybe there wouldn't be enough evidence for criminal prosecution, but for the school officials to act like responsible adults and say "We're simply not going to have this; those of you who are disappointed might wish to bring it up with the former quarterback over there." |
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| said by Steve: I came to realize that deterrence is a very weak motivator. It's not that kids make some kind of risk-benefit tradeoff, it's that they rarely consider consequences at all I strongly disagree, otherwise there would be students murdering students that pissed them off. You think it's human decency that keeps teens in line? There were certainly moments in my youth that I would have beaten people to the point of death if I knew it wouldn't have affected my ability to do certain things.
The issue here is that forwarding sexted images is a 'bro' move that deserves a high five, since no one ever does anything about it. Recording a girl on your webcam while you're nailing her in your dorm then sending it to everyone after you break up, that's some funny shit right there.
No, the seriousness of these acts needs to be escalated to the nth degree and they're not at all treated with any respect since no one acts on it. Then when these images get out, it completely ruins the lives of those who didn't agree to it.
I'm not the only one who thinks so, I keep hearing the same on the news in the past few days, that people feel more needs to be done when teens share images of conquests. |
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| said by urbanriot:No, the seriousness of these acts needs to be escalated to the nth degree and they're not at all treated with any respect since no one acts on it. Then when these images get out, it completely ruins the lives of those who didn't agree to it.
I agree with you entirely, but out of curiosity, what kind of punishment would you suggest for those offenders?
In the case of rape I'd move for mandatory chemical castration. |
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| said by TigerLord:I agree with you entirely, but out of curiosity, what kind of punishment would you suggest for those offenders? A juvenile offender should be treated as an adult would under the same circumstances of sharing or even having such images.
The lives of the victims are pretty much ruined with long term psychological implications so I don't see why the same shouldn't be a concern for those recording or sharing such images. |
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Burlington, ON | reply to TigerLord
said by TigerLord:I agree with you entirely, but out of curiosity, what kind of punishment would you suggest for those offenders? Anyone who forwarded the picture (with the exception of those who forwarded it to someone in authority).... take their freakin' phones away. For most teens that's a fate worse than death.
Sorry, but I don't buy the 'someone else used my phone when I didn't have it' defense as when did they last have their phone out of their reach? |
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