 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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Re: [Serious] The sad face of social media said by A Lurker: Anyone who forwarded the picture (with the exception of those who forwarded it to someone in authority).... take their freakin' phones away. I take back everything I ever said about "deterrence"  |
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said by A Lurker:Sorry, but I don't buy the 'someone else used my phone when I didn't have it' defense as when did they last have their phone out of their reach?
Nor should you, that's the classic teen deference... "It wasn't me!" The deflection of responsibility is a far greater detriment to our society than social networking. |
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Looks like your average happy family... 
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"How is it possible for someone to leave a digital trail like that, yet the RCMP don’t have evidence of a crime? What were they looking for if photos and bragging weren’t enough?"
Canning said Rehtaeh’s case was treated like a minor incident of bullying, and not a sex assault.
"Isn’t the production and distribution of child porn a crime in this country?" he asked.
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NCRGuy
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Ottawa, ON | said by urbanriot:Looks like your average happy family...
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"How is it possible for someone to leave a digital trail like that, yet the RCMP don’t have evidence of a crime? What were they looking for if photos and bragging weren’t enough?"
Canning said Rehtaeh’s case was treated like a minor incident of bullying, and not a sex assault.
"Isn’t the production and distribution of child porn a crime in this country?" he asked.
I have found this whole story to be heartbreaking. I feel the parent's pain, and were I in their shoes I would certainly want retribution of biblical proportions.
That being said, I do have some sympathy for the police. I have not seen (nor do I wish to see) the photo(s) in question, so I am in no position to assess their evidentiary value. In this country we still convict people based on evidence rather than emotion. I get the impression that people are assuming there are pictures that quite clearly show a rape taking place. My guess is, at most, you have photos that show two young people engaged in a sexual act. A photo is unlikely to demonstrate the presence or absence of consent. I also have no idea how explicit these photographs are, which is perhaps why no action has been taken as far as production or distribution of child porn.
If the police screwed something up, then go at them. But remember that none of us know the whole story. |
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 vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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It is being reported on local radio that the Anonymous group caused an interruption in the Province of Nova Scotia's network today in response to the rape of Rehtaeh Parsons... |
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said by NCRGuy: But remember that none of us know the whole story.
I'd expect the grieving father, whose quotes you're replying to, would know far more than we know... but if you want to suggest he's exaggerating the situation, I suppose its a fair point albeit callous. |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Halifax, NS
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For those of you who may believe this is an isolated incident you may want to read the UNICEF study on children in 29 industrialized nations... Canada ranked #21st
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Canada ranked 21st in bullying, with 35 per cent of children aged 11, 13 and 15 report being bullied at school at least once in the past couple of months. UNICEF also placed Canada 22nd in infant mortality.
»www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-can···.1231483
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Canada had the worst ranking in terms of youth cannabis users at 28 per cent; was 24th in participation in higher education (though that figure was 81 per cent); and ranked 27th in fighting obesity, with 20 per cent of children thought to be obese. Eighty-five per cent of Canadian youth were immunized, good enough for a ranking of 28th.
»www.canada.com/health/Canada+ran···QBkYCwwN |
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NCRGuy
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Ottawa, ON | reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:said by NCRGuy: But remember that none of us know the whole story.
I'd expect the grieving father, whose quotes you're replying to, would know far more than we know... but if you want to suggest he's exaggerating the situation, I suppose its a fair point albeit callous. I'm not saying he's exaggerating. I'm saying that the burden of proof necessary for a father to be willing to grab a baseball bat, and the burden of proof necessary to get a criminal conviction are two different things. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | i agree with your assessment.
as i have said before, it's not what you did, it's what you can prove in the court of law...while we all know it would be nice to get some justice, the reality is, there may be little to no chance to convict...the fact she has killed herself really has hindered the police, as their star witness is no longer around. |
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| said by dirtyjeffer:the fact she has killed herself really has hindered the police, as their star witness is no longer around.
From the sounds of things, the case wasn't pursued appropriately when she was around. The news coverage today is suggesting that the case was pretty much dropped before it was even started.
Considering there's so much attention from 'higher ups', I suppose we'll find out sooner or later... I just hope we haven't forgotten when the details do come to light.
Harper's comment today, I completely agree with:
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"I think we've got to stop using just the term bullying to describe some of these things. Bullying to me has a kind of connotation … of kids misbehaving. What we are dealing with in some of these circumstances is simply criminal activity. It is youth criminal activity, it is violent criminal activity, it is sexual criminal activity and it is often internet criminal activity"
Also something I obviously agree with since it's echoing what I said earlier in this thread:
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Provincial Justice Minister Ross Landry said he's considering new laws when it comes to allegations of sexual assault and distribution of child pornography.
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vue.... isn't this the same group that stood up for the vancouver teenager "amanda todd" that committed suicide last year? |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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kudos:1 | What group are you talking about? UNICEF? Anonymous? |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Yes... I believe so... |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Harper is correct. It's not bullying. it's criminal behaviour. |
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Anonymous seems to know who the people are.. |
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peterboroAvatars are for posersPremium
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Peterborough, ON | reply to A Lurker
I saw on the news there may be some bullying of the perps at their school. So people in the community clearly know who did it.
Hopefully if the message gets out that if you engage in this behaviour you too may be at the receiving end of the only thing that matters to teenagers and that is peer pressure. |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Halifax, NS
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Exactly...if the police and authorities will not take a stand against punks, the public will.... |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Local media is reporting a lot of American and international news is in town reporting on this sickening event...
I guess all the violence, crime and crap tha has been going on in HRM is putting us on the map in very much the wrong way... |
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| A very similar story happened in California. They arrested those responsible yesterday.
»news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/12···herself/ |
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Same thing happened in Cali (San Jose area) - they finally arrested the 3 pervs that assaulted the drunk girl in this case (who also unfortunately hung herself).
»www.policymic.com/articles/34545···systemic
What I'm missing here or don't understand at all is where is the sympathy to these victims when they are attacked in the first place... these are attractive, seemingly popular young girls... I knew 2 girls that were assaulted when I was in H.S. and everyone shunned the jerks that did it - neither ended up locked up - but no one would associate with them, and everyone was supportive of the girls.... hard to believe 20 years later kids throw a lets bash her party when one of their friends is the victim of a sexual assault or rape.... my heart and sympathy poured out to the 2 girls I knew... I sat and talked to one of them on the phone for hours day after day telling her not everyone in the world was an assh**e.... no there was no pictures but if there was I don't think anyone I knew would have even wanted to see them!!!! |
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Rape is a crime.
Video evidence shows the crime and the perpetrators.
Distributing images of the crime is called distributing child porn.
Taking the images is a crime called creation of child porn.
Age of consent for sex is an issue(being drunk or passed out does not provide consent).
Being the age of consent does not override the law on creation of child porn when images being created.
Sports overrides the law in sick and twisted peoples minds.
Setting up a young boys mentoring program to be a pedophile is sick.
People ignoring the pedophiles action is even more sick.
Refusing to arrest and prosecute all the multiple players sports team for rape is criminal and an obstruction of justice.
The Crown refusing to prosecute those rapists in NovaScotia is a crime(obstruction of justice).
Creation and distribution of child porn is a valid charge, no matter how many dozens of school kids get arrested on the charge of distributing child porn.
The young offenders act is an obstruction of justice when it is convicted kids who are prone to commit the crime again.
Sealing of a police officers conviction so he can continue to be a police officer is an obstruction of justice(what use was the whole trial and conviction?).
Underage alcohol drinking is a crime.
The people who purposely obtained the alcohol for the underage kids committed a crime.
The real matter in Canada with all these rape cases is that the prosecutor and government refuse to spend money and resources to put rapists in prison. They don't even put drunk drivers in prison(just a profit making fine), so why put 'boys will be boys' rapists in prison.
Its not social medias fault.
Its the people who were already committing rape and taking these images and printing at home via printer or Polaroid.
They found a way to be "durrrr, look what I is done and no one can stop me cause all them other people never got stopped either". |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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Our NS Premier is hopeful Harper will change Criminal Code after Rehtaeh Parsons case...
»www.news957.com/2013/04/12/premi···-case-2/ |
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vue666Small block Chevys never diePremium
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The RCMP are re-opening the case due to new information...
»www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013···hes.html |
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| They are probably opening up the case because of the attention is have received and the lack of enforcement the province / police involvement.
Man technology/ bad parenting had contributed to so much these days.
I think kids have lost the education on values , influences and peers.. how to treat others and all that. |
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| said by LastDon:They are probably opening up the case because of the attention is have received and the lack of enforcement the province / police involvement.
Man technology/ bad parenting had contributed to so much these days.
I think kids have lost the education on values , influences and peers.. how to treat others and all that.
I also blame police or RCMP and school eduction official for not doing much. How come when one RCMP is shot or injured they spare no money/resources to catch the guy with undercover operation.
Every time I see such cases I lose faith in RCMP/Police. I bet some of the officials spend more time attending police/F fighter funerals all over US/Canada than they must have spend here.
Now RCMP is just opening because they want to save their face. |
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NCRGuy
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Ottawa, ON | Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence.... |
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| said by NCRGuy:Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence....
They weren't even thinking about re-opening the case until a group of hackers threatened actions.
Looks like they were motivated to act and find new information. |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | reply to NCRGuy
said by NCRGuy:Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence....
it does seem odd though...not pursuing anything, until Anonymous gives them the possible evidence they need to do it??...i mean, if that group of "kids and hackers" were able to identify 3 of the 4 people in matter of 1-2 days, what exactly are the police and investigators doing?
look, i'm a pretty good supporter of police, but i have to admit, something does smell a little funny here.
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NCRGuy
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Ottawa, ON | said by dirtyjeffer:said by NCRGuy:Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence....
it does seem odd though...not pursuing anything, until Anonymous gives them the possible evidence they need to do it??...i mean, if that group of "kids and hackers" were able to identify 3 of the 4 people in matter of 1-2 days, what exactly are the police and investigators doing? look, i'm a pretty good supporter of police, but i have to admit, something does smell a little funny here. I disagree. The new evidence did not come from an online source. Someone came forward and is willing to testify.
Whether it results in charges still remains to be seen.
ETA: the issue for the police was never identifying the guys involved. They knew who they were, as does the whole community. The issue whether or not they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed a crime.
They didn't have sufficient evidence before. Now they have new evidence. |
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