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jaberi

join:2010-08-13
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Re: [Serious] The sad face of social media

don't mean to get off topic but there is a similar case being pursued in california...
3 Calif. teens arrested for sex assault after girl's suicide
»www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575···assault/

they even mentioned the canadian case..the photo's seem to be the issue.

"We are talking about a systematic distributing of a photo involving an intimate body part of hers," Allard said. He said distributing the photo was "equally insidious as the assault."



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said by NCRGuy:

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by NCRGuy:

Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence....

it does seem odd though...not pursuing anything, until Anonymous gives them the possible evidence they need to do it??...i mean, if that group of "kids and hackers" were able to identify 3 of the 4 people in matter of 1-2 days, what exactly are the police and investigators doing?

look, i'm a pretty good supporter of police, but i have to admit, something does smell a little funny here.

I disagree. The new evidence did not come from an online source. Someone came forward and is willing to testify.

Whether it results in charges still remains to be seen.

ETA: the issue for the police was never identifying the guys involved. They knew who they were, as does the whole community. The issue whether or not they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed a crime.

They didn't have sufficient evidence before. Now they have new evidence.

Local media is saying the person came forward from online pressure, perhaps from Anonymous....


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said by vue666:

Local media is saying the person came forward from online pressure, perhaps from Anonymous....

They've obviously watched enough Law & Order to know that the first person to turn themselves in gets the deal. Sadly I've watched enough to know that they're probably the ringleader (and the most morally bankrupt of them all).


loosedobbs

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said by TigerLord:

said by NCRGuy:

Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence....

They weren't even thinking about re-opening the case until a group of hackers threatened actions.

Looks like they were motivated to act and find new information.

Motivated because people lost faith in RCMP and now trying to save the embarrassment. At least they didn't hold press conference like TO Police and asked for tips or asked the culprits to surrender.


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The hacker group Anonymous claims they have a confession from a suspect who allegedly raped Rehtaeh ....

»www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1···615.html



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said by NCRGuy:

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by NCRGuy:

Or, maybe they're re opening because now they actually have viable evidence....

it does seem odd though...not pursuing anything, until Anonymous gives them the possible evidence they need to do it??...i mean, if that group of "kids and hackers" were able to identify 3 of the 4 people in matter of 1-2 days, what exactly are the police and investigators doing?

look, i'm a pretty good supporter of police, but i have to admit, something does smell a little funny here.

I disagree. The new evidence did not come from an online source. Someone came forward and is willing to testify.

Whether it results in charges still remains to be seen.

ETA: the issue for the police was never identifying the guys involved. They knew who they were, as does the whole community. The issue whether or not they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed a crime.

They didn't have sufficient evidence before. Now they have new evidence.

That seems to be an accurate reasonable scenario. With the lack of resources available the courts are only willing to prosecute cases where they have enough evidence. At least someone is coming forward. I would have respect for the parents that brought their guilty sons forward to apologize and to say that they are guilty, sorry and after sentencing seeking help. THat would be very very hard but its what they should do. Otherwise the parents are complicit in the crime IMHO.

For anyone questioning why this is going on.......... is really blind to the fact that its been happening for decades but not exposed. Sexims is alive and well and if you watch any music videos you know the values society is placing on women. We are going backwards in this country.
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Rehtaeh Parsons, Amanda Todd, Steubenville: Anonymous is here to stay....

»www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/···tay.html


jaberi

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"In Amanda Todds case, the group was criticized for releasing the name and address of the man it claimed was the sexual predator who harassed Todd before her suicide. The British Columbia RCMP said that allegation was unfounded, though stopped short of saying Anonymous had named the wrong man."

you can have all the anonymous you want, and all the police forces you want, there is only so much they can do....our laws need to change, and that starts with the people and politicians we vote for.


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said by jaberi:

"In Amanda Todds case, the group was criticized for releasing the name and address of the man it claimed was the sexual predator who harassed Todd before her suicide. The British Columbia RCMP said that allegation was unfounded, though stopped short of saying Anonymous had named the wrong man."

you can have all the anonymous you want, and all the police forces you want, there is only so much they can do....our laws need to change, and that starts with the people and politicians we vote for.

What laws need to change?

jaberi

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the whole young offenders act & sexual assaults.



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Only about halfway through, but tonight's episode of the Good Wife is pretty much about some of what's gone down here. Even a nod to anonymous as a guy walking down the street with the mask on.

ETA: episode title is Rape: A Modern Perspective



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said by jaberi:

the whole young offenders act & sexual assaults.

Kimberlys Law

»blogs.theprovince.com/2013/03/27···roposal/


neochu

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said by vue666:

said by jaberi:

the whole young offenders act & sexual assaults.

Kimberlys Law

»blogs.theprovince.com/2013/03/27···roposal/

Section 2 of that has MASSIVE human rights issues involved with that...

Itll be like taking schools in Ontario who used "expulsion of problem students" as social engineering experiments to the next level.

You cannot mandate involuntary mental health or behavioural treatment for anyone without offering them a chance at a legal defence AND without PROVING they are a danger to themselves or others.

Then again Ontario is the only province in canada with the Mental Health Act. Legislation sufficient enough to mandate this already.

jaberi

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the parents of the the young girl Potts who committed suicide in california, are filing a wrongful death lawsuit...
these 3 boys might be tried as adults.
a former prosecutor says in california there is actually a statute that allows you to hold parents criminally responsible for injuries, for delinquency of a minor etc...also they were not home when this party took place and therefore it is a unsupervised event by the parent.


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Posters go up supporting boys in Rehtaeh Parsons case

»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot···ers.html

I'm all for warning away from vigilantism that can come with these cases, but the message in these posters feels eerily like the response of many to the Steubenville case, where excuse after excuse was made for the accused, and even after being convicted the rapists were receiving more sympathy for their "wasted futures" than the victim ever received.



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Oh, it's definitely supporting the boys. Poor little pedo-distributing pornographers need support.

(I say pornographers for there's no question someone took pictures and plenty of people distributed them. With Rehtaeh dead they all be claiming it was consensual, with nobody to tell a different story.)



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That's a problem with our current system, there appears to be more concern for the perpetrators then for the victims...



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Rehtaeh Parsons's family alone with our Premier Darrell meet yesterday in Ottawa with Prime Minister Harper...

The family is reporting it was an heartfelt talk with the PM...

»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot···per.html

There is hope some type of anti-bullying legislation will be in effect by end of June....



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said by vue666:

Rehtaeh Parsons's family alone with our Premier Darrell meet yesterday in Ottawa with Prime Minister Harper...

The family is reporting it was an heartfelt talk with the PM...

»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot···per.html

There is hope some type of anti-bullying legislation will be in effect by end of June....

Great thread till the injection of politics. :-(
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milnoc

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Clay, the author of the Webcomics "The Thin H Line" and "Depression Comix" has his own thoughts about the whole affair.

»depressioncomix.tumblr.com/post/···omix-120



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Province of NS unveils cyberbullying bill, feds still working on it.....

»www.news957.com/2013/04/25/provi···g-on-it/



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Anti bullying panel is expected to release some of it's findings today....



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said by vue666:

Anti bullying panel is expected to release some of it's findings today....

It will be interesting to see what they suggest, and if anything actually changes. The thing I don't get is that you would think child porn laws would have applied. If nothing else, seize every phone or computer that sent the picture (don't worry about charging anyone) unless it went to someone in authority to report it. If the police don't have anyone capable on staff of tracking this info, surely they could hire someone.

My god, I think I said it before, but the threat of losing their precious phones might make some of them stop and think before they hit send. I'm not sure you need any new laws to enact this. Collecting evidence in an ongoing investigation would have allowed them to do this.


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This story sounds all to familiar... Until we start holding people responsible for their actions I suspect this type of crap will continue....

quote:
Have we learned nothing from the Rethaeh Parsons case?

Is there some problem we have collectively as parents of boys and girls?

In today’s Metro, reporter Ruth Davenport interviewed the mother of the girl allegedly victimized by a group of boys in late March.

According to Mom, she picked up her daughter from an all you can drink party, unable to walk after being dragged outside by a group of boys and captured on video having oral sex.

The budding pornographer thoughtfully shared the scene on a social media site.

Then the bullying began by the other kids at her school. Mom says “She’s being bullied, being called names by the girls and boys offering bus tickets for blow jobs.”

Sound familiar?

The girl is now in counselling, trying to put her reputation and life together…after being made “Facebook famous”.

Talk to your kids. Tell them to smarten up.

If we don’t do something about the behaviour of our teens…it appears that now the police will.

»www.news957.com/inside/blog/have···ns-case/


Link to news article ---> »www.trurodaily.com/News/Local/20···ex-act/1


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I say they do something about Facebook... It's the medium these fools use for such activity.

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NDP MP Robert Chisholm (Dartmouth-Cole Harbour) is tabling a private bill to redefine voyeurism in Canada’s Criminal Code...hoping to make it illegal to share images of someone engaged in a sexual act without their consent...

This is of course in reaction to the Rehtaeh Parsons tragedy...

»www.news957.com/2013/06/18/n-s-m···ns-case/



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said by vue666:

hoping to make it illegal to share images of someone engaged in a sexual act without their consent...

I fully endorse this. Strange, never thought I'd be supporting an NDP bill against crime...


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Ok...fine. Does that new definition of voyeurism stop it from happening in the first place? No, it's just another police charge after the fact.



vue666
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It could be argued, "Do laws actually stop any crime from happening?"... But as a society I think we are better with laws in place and enforced...


jaberi

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social media is keeping albertan's connected at this time of great need.
thank-you social media!