cymraegThread Killer Premium Member join:2011-06-07 Dodge, NE |
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Re: Patch 5.3 Adds Off-Spec Loot and Rewardssaid by navymaverick:I think it means no additional five mans or five man loots. Meaning you have to climb the gear latter with dailies or LFR or raids. yes which is why if they do away with them for the emerald dream or whatever they decide to name the next one i will say goodbye. |
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stonhinge Premium Member join:2003-07-28 Topeka, KS |
They're not going to do away with 5-mans completely. That'd be silly. People enjoy them - it's just that a portion of the playerbase detests running them over and over again. There's also the often restated "you can have several new dungeons, or we can give you a new raid tier".
Personally, as someone who raids - and it's not just with guildmembers - I'd rather see new raids. 5-mans are too easy when you're already in equivalent ilvl gear - except for that one piece they added that fits your itemization *perfectly* and thus you need to run the 5-mans over and over until it drops, and hope that someone else doesn't take it.
Also, there's no sense of progression in 5-mans. There's no cheering over vent after killing that last boss that has been frustrating you for weeks. Why? Because 5-mans are easy. They're *made* easy, so that more people can access them. Going from 5 to 10/25 makes sense. It's moving forward with a larger force to defeat the enemy. I will admit that sometimes it makes sense in the storyline to have an elite group take on a special mission - but isn't that essentially what raiding is? You've got the whole Alliance/Horde behind you, and you 10/25 are the people going in to fight the Thunder King. You *are* the small elite group going to do what must be done.
Also, previous tiers you can do with battletag friends, so you're not even limited by your server anymore for getting the gear for ToT LFR. If you don't have enough friends/guild members to do 10-mans, you have several options: make more friends, recruit to your guild, or find/create a guild-blind raid group. Check out Openraid.us and find one. |
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cymraegThread Killer Premium Member join:2011-06-07 Dodge, NE |
cymraeg
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2013-Apr-11 9:25 am
as I said Greg hinted that they are considering it in a tweet, so it is not impossible that they would ditch 5 man content, for these weak content scenarios, and for the prior 3 expansions we have had new 5 mans along with new raid tiers, and I would argue that the ICC 5 mans were some of the best ones they have made, it actually makes me sad that you can't queue for them after you hit 80 now.
For people that don't raid you can progress your character through 5 mans, just not to the level of raiders. Let us make something clear LFR is not raiding, anyone who believes it is , is blowing smoke up their own ass, it is nothing more than a 25 man target dummy with some bad shit on the ground that is negated after 2 weeks of people running the dungeon. Blizzard knows this all too well, which is why they run a thin line on the ilvl distribution from it to a normal raid, because if it was no where near a normal raid ilvl it wouldn't get run at all, as it stands now they had to make it the standard progression model to justify having it, by not making actual heroic 5 mans. 5 mans were not always as easy as these or the HoT heroics, there is a reason why as a tank i made good coin in TBC for running people through heroics, how many people wiped on Arthas in Halls of Reflection or hell that whole dungeon even after getting some gear was tough. |
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stvnbrs Premium Member join:2009-03-17 Cary, NC |
stvnbrs
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2013-Apr-11 9:31 am
said by cymraeg:it is nothing more than a 25 man target dummy with some bad shit on the ground Who are you kidding, this is all raiding is. The difference is gear and a much lower margin for error. |
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cymraegThread Killer Premium Member join:2011-06-07 Dodge, NE |
cymraeg
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2013-Apr-11 9:51 am
well if the raids nowadays is the same then i am glad i no longer do them, so you no longer have to make a strategy confer with your team when to use cooldowns , who is going to soak damage, where the raid is going to position themselves during certain phases, when was the last time you went a gathered pots and food for an lfr, do your tanks not talk to each other bout when to swap, or who is going to take the boss or adds, these are the things that make a raid a raid, if your raids feel like an lfr to you then i would suggest moving on to another guild. |
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stvnbrs Premium Member join:2009-03-17 Cary, NC |
stvnbrs
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2013-Apr-11 9:56 am
By this time in the game, most raid boss mechanics can be summarized by mentioning a different boss you did them on. Stack here, stay out of that, tank swap on/after this, burn here move there. In it's basic form raiding, either LFR or regular is nothing more than moving around while staying alive and either doing damage, healing or maintaining aggro, which are all overcome with time and gear. Granted many derps can't understand x mechanic over y, but that is all raiding is, situational awareness while performing your roll. |
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JB9Stay Gold Premium Member join:2009-05-14 |
JB9
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2013-Apr-11 10:23 am
Not exactly. |
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said by stvnbrs:By this time in the game, most raid boss mechanics can be summarized by mentioning a different boss you did them on. Stack here, stay out of that, tank swap on/after this, burn here move there. In it's basic form raiding, either LFR or regular is nothing more than moving around while staying alive and either doing damage, healing or maintaining aggro, which are all overcome with time and gear. Granted many derps can't understand x mechanic over y, but that is all raiding is, situational awareness while performing your roll. Dude, no. Did you do Elegon pre-nerf in iLvl 483 gear? "Ok guys, situational awareness . . don't stand in stuff. . . perform your role. . . . if you've done LFR you should be good" YEAH RIGHT!? lol. No offense but your way off on this one. |
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Antonica
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2013-Apr-12 9:54 am
Actually he did. He was with us with our first Elegon Kill. Yes Raiding is MUCH more difficult than LFR, but it's just more mechanics and less room for error, not a completely seperate concept. Same boss, mostly same abilities. |
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