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kovy

join:2009-03-26
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reply to phily316

Re: Pair bonding coming soon?

I just find if funny that the modem Glen is talking is no where to be found on Bell.ca

Test center also never even mentioned this modem...

It's really weird.



Gone
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I think he meant Speedstream 4300.



Glen1
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reply to phily316

This is off topic so I apologize for this but I used to think it was a Speedstream 4300 until I had a really close look at the box it was in. It is a Sagemcom 4300 and it is in full bridge mode only...you can't get into it. I believe there are other ISPs who use a different version of this device but in Bell's case it is a bridge only device. I have installed several of them for Business customers and it works for their needs. They usually have their own router and don't want another one. I understand these have recently been discontinued probably for lack of use.
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Gone
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1 recommendation

The last bridge-only modems I remember were some of the earlier Speedstreams (5200 sound right?) and the original Alcatels they used when they first switched to G.DMT from that proprietary Nortel "1-Meg Modem" stuff they used to use. This was going back to about 2003 or so. After that everything had a web interface that you could use to throw in a PPPoE login.

I would love to see a photo of this Sagemcom 4300.



Glen1
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This modem replaces the Alcatel modem (full bridge) and stops the need to put a 4200 in full bridge mode: 192.168.2.1/brgmode.htm remember? However the 4300 is no longer available so we have to go back to the 4200 which can be bridge right out of the box...however some customer devices don't like being assigned 192.168.2.10 before they attempt to bridge through it.
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Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.



Gone
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You never needed to put 4200/4300 into "bridge mode" to make it work. All you did was blank out the user/pass on the modem itself and initiate the PPPoE connection from your computer or router. It worked. I know this because I've done it myself more times than I can count

I want to say it was one of the 5000-series models that actually needed to be explicitly put into bridge mode.



Glen1
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Yes I understand but if you have a cisco device in front of the modem that cannot tolerate being assigned any kind of IP from the modem then it won't work...therefore it needs to be placed in "full" bridge mode to prevent that from happening. The device I refer to is a pix firewall...and it needed a bridge modem.
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Gone
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Fair enough, but disabling DHCP on the modem would probably have worked just as well if it was an issue of IP assignment.



Glen1
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There is no way of disabling the dhcp on the 5200 nor the 4200, it automatically assigns 192.168.2.10 to any device that plugs into its single port...unfortunately for this application.
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liquid_ic

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reply to phily316

Any word on this coming. 25 MB/s is really not cutting it compared to cables 50 - 75 for the same price.



xsbell

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said by liquid_ic:

Any word on this coming. 25 MB/s is really not cutting it compared to cables 50 - 75 for the same price.

It will be launched in Quebec on June 3rd and in Ottawa on June 10th.


BliZZardX
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What about Toronto?



xsbell

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said by BliZZardX:

What about Toronto?

Nothing about Toronto yet, but it shouldn't be too far away either, probably at the end of the month... along with the IRDs with wifi (for FibeTV).


FiberToTheX
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reply to xsbell

said by xsbell:

said by liquid_ic:

Any word on this coming. 25 MB/s is really not cutting it compared to cables 50 - 75 for the same price.

It will be launched in Quebec on June 3rd and in Ottawa on June 10th.

What is the source for those dates because typically any kind of remote installation ive seen or noticed happens during August or September.

If those dates are true particularly for the end of month for Toronto then i sbould look forward to having a 7330 installed soon.


xsbell

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said by FiberToTheX:

What is the source for those dates

It's been published internally [at Bell] for a while now.


Gone
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reply to xsbell

said by xsbell:

Nothing about Toronto yet, but it shouldn't be too far away either, probably at the end of the month... along with the IRDs with wifi (for FibeTV).

Just Ottawa? No word on other areas (beside Toronto) with 7330s deployed?


FiberToTheX
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reply to xsbell

said by xsbell:

said by FiberToTheX:

What is the source for those dates

It's been published internally [at Bell] for a while now.

I doubt it. I would like to see confirmation by others or perhaps a screenshot of that internal memo. JCohen can you perhaps confirm or deny?

I also find it interesting the GTA or Toronto was not mentioned or other parts of Ontario on the FibeTV road map.


Gone
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Bell has recently updated their website and now makes mention of a 75Mbit/s tier on certain splash pages without actually showing it for sale on the website. It's certainly plausible that pair bonding is coming sooner rather than later as 75 is going to be the first bonded tier.

As for why Ottawa and not the GTA, I suspect it would have to do with the number of 7330s versus Stingers deployed. Stingers don't bond.


yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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reply to xsbell

said by xsbell:

said by FiberToTheX:

What is the source for those dates

It's been published internally [at Bell] for a while now.

Will they be delivering anything faster than 50/10 with bonding?


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said by Gone:

As for why Ottawa and not the GTA, I suspect it would have to do with the number of 7330s versus Stingers deployed. Stingers don't bond.

Barrie and other parts of Ontario have a large amount of 7330's deployed as well.

There are also a large amount of 7330's deployed in the Greater Toronto Area although the amount of Stinger's outnumbers the 7330's.

On a different note I thought I saw a 7330 deployed not to far from me. I'm going to take a closer look tomorrow when I pick up my Cable Modem.


Gone
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Aside from the one Stinger I managed to find in a non-residential part of Niagara Falls, the Niagara Region is all 7330s too. I believe Waterloo Region is as well.


freejazz_RdJ

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reply to Gone

said by Gone:

As for why Ottawa and not the GTA, I suspect it would have to do with the number of 7330s versus Stingers deployed. Stingers don't bond.

They do bond with the later firmware updates. You just need a magic modem that has bonding support and Ikanos support.

I think there are 2 targets for bonding: extending the reach of your basic level of service (25/10 for internet and modest IPTV with 15Mbps+ internet) and higher speed tiers for customers who are closer.

I wonder how much of a margin hit you'd get if you sold 25/10 bonded at the same retail price. As for wholesale, how will that be priced? Does the bonding customer if it has to be wholesaled pay for 1 port or 2 ports? Or a multiple accounting for just the extra port, and not 2X the upstream resources.


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said by freejazz_RdJ:

said by Gone:

As for why Ottawa and not the GTA, I suspect it would have to do with the number of 7330s versus Stingers deployed. Stingers don't bond.

They do bond with the later firmware updates. You just need a magic modem that has bonding support and Ikanos support.

I think there are 2 targets for bonding: extending the reach of your basic level of service (25/10 for internet and modest IPTV with 15Mbps+ internet) and higher speed tiers for customers who are closer.

I wonder how much of a margin hit you'd get if you sold 25/10 bonded at the same retail price. As for wholesale, how will that be priced? Does the bonding customer if it has to be wholesaled pay for 1 port or 2 ports? Or a multiple accounting for just the extra port, and not 2X the upstream resources.

Bonding would really only be used when the Loop length exceeds 3000-4000 Feet is when there is a dramatic drop in Upstream/Downstream on 17a:

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said by Gone:

Aside from the one Stinger I managed to find in a non-residential part of Niagara Falls, the Niagara Region is all 7330s too. I believe Waterloo Region is as well.

Exactly what I'm thinking. As far as I know some parts of London and Hamilton also have 7330's deployed as well. St. Katharine's has a fair share of 7330's too.


JCohen
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reply to FiberToTheX

said by FiberToTheX:

said by xsbell:

said by FiberToTheX:

What is the source for those dates

It's been published internally [at Bell] for a while now.

I doubt it. I would like to see confirmation by others or perhaps a screenshot of that internal memo. JCohen can you perhaps confirm or deny?

Yep, I can confirm that these dates have been posted internally. As for other areas there is currently no information available.
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Gone
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reply to FiberToTheX

said by FiberToTheX:

Exactly what I'm thinking. As far as I know some parts of London and Hamilton also have 7330's deployed as well. St. Katharine's has a fair share of 7330's too.

London doesn't have any extensive FTTN. Hamilton has a lot of Stingers depending on the area of the city.

As for that abomination of a name you typed that is by far the worst version I have ever seen, I believe that was already covered by Niagara Region.

Bonding would be needed to deliver 75/10 (or 75/20, not sure what they're doing on TV) and upload simultaneously on loops. It will also extend the reach for 50/10 and Fibe TV simultaneously as there is a good chunk of 7330-served areas that can't quite do both due to distance from the SLAM.


FiberToTheX
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said by Gone:

said by FiberToTheX:

Exactly what I'm thinking. As far as I know some parts of London and Hamilton also have 7330's deployed as well. St. Katharine's has a fair share of 7330's too.

London doesn't have any extensive FTTN. Hamilton has a lot of Stingers depending on the area of the city.

As for that abomination of a name you typed that is by far the worst version I have ever seen, I believe that was already covered by Niagara Region.

Bonding would be needed to deliver 75/10 (or 75/20, not sure what they're doing on TV) and upload simultaneously on loops. It will also extend the reach for 50/10 and Fibe TV simultaneously as there is a good chunk of 7330-served areas that can't quite do both due to distance from the SLAM.

London does have FTTN within certain parts of the city. If you take a look at Start they show a map of FTTN coverage for VDSL. Apparently there was also a Bell exec that has Fibe Internet/TV in London in his residence as reported on DSLReports.

Hamilton is severely lacking on the Bell Remote Map. I do know that there a few 7330's deployed but I wasn't really aware of the Stinger coverage due to lack of community feedback on the map.

Bonding will be necessary for 75/10(20?) as the loop length to Remote would have to be extremely close to reach that attainable. The amount of subscribers who would qualify would be a tiny portion as the 50/10 subscribers are already a small percentage compared to those with 25/10 available.

50/10 would be needed for loop lengths past 3000-4000feet when 17a Downstream/Upstream severely drops. It could also be used for 25/10 subscribers.

As for the spelling St. Catharines you can disregard the earlier spelling. Autocorrect was at fault.


Gone
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Start's VDSL is their own equipment co-located in a CO and is only available in the core. Bell has FTTH with Fibe TV in new neighborhoods and a few apartment/condo towers in London, but I am pretty sure there is no FTTN available - yet - west of Waterloo Region.


kovy

join:2009-03-26
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reply to Gone

said by Gone:

said by FiberToTheX:

Exactly what I'm thinking. As far as I know some parts of London and Hamilton also have 7330's deployed as well. St. Katharine's has a fair share of 7330's too.

London doesn't have any extensive FTTN. Hamilton has a lot of Stingers depending on the area of the city.

As for that abomination of a name you typed that is by far the worst version I have ever seen, I believe that was already covered by Niagara Region.

Bonding would be needed to deliver 75/10 (or 75/20, not sure what they're doing on TV) and upload simultaneously on loops. It will also extend the reach for 50/10 and Fibe TV simultaneously as there is a good chunk of 7330-served areas that can't quite do both due to distance from the SLAM.

Well 75/10 doesn't require bonding for some like me, i'm about 300m away. Unless you were strictly talking about stingers.

SLAMtech

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reply to phily316

Pretty much any urban area east of Kitchener-Waterloo to the GTA has over 90% fttn deployment minus some smaller towns. Hamilton-Burlington has stingers all over the place. Currently Kitchener-Waterloo and Guelph are somewhere between 40-50% all 7330's.

London does have a handful of outside 7330's and a lot of highrises with them as well, but no extensive deployment as of right now. Fibe TV is only available in the buildings with 7330's and not stingers right now and on all the FTTH market here which is all the new subdivisions and 4-5 apartment buildings that are fibre to the unit.



Gone
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reply to kovy

said by kovy:

Well 75/10 doesn't require bonding for some like me, i'm about 300m away. Unless you were strictly talking about stingers.

Just because you don't need to be bonded doesn't mean that there are many many others who do, especially since Bell is going to expect a 75Mbit/s tier to actually be good for 100 for Fibe TV. Stingers don't bond, so I don't know why you would bring that up.