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aurgathor
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Re: Windows 8 Blamed for Biggest PC Shipment Plunge Ever

I do have a copy of it somewhere.

Thinking about installing it over Windows 8.

javaMan
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said by aurgathor:

I do have a copy of it somewhere.

Thinking about installing it over Windows 8.

LOL
lorennerol
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said by dave:

said by Mele20:

What's "Bob"?

Bob is Bob.

Thanks. That sounds awful.

It was. But it got Bill a wife.

dib22
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Windows Division revenue was $5.703 billion, up 23 percent on the same quarter a year ago. However, $1.085 billion of this was revenue taken in previous quarters for the Windows Upgrade Offer. Excluding this, revenue was $4.618 billion, essentially unchanged year on year. Operating income for the division was $3.459 billion, up 16 percent from third quarter 2012.

Windows revenue is split between OEM and non-OEM sales, the latter including Surface sales, retail upgrades, and corporate volume licenses. The OEM revenue was in line with the overall PC market—a market that fell almost 14 percent last quarter—but the non-OEM share was up 40 percent. Volume licensing grew by double digits, and the company says that two thirds of enterprise desktops are now using Windows 7. With less than a year of Windows XP support remaining, that number should continue to grow.

»arstechnica.com/informat ··· numbers/
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said by dib22:

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Windows revenue is split between OEM and non-OEM sales, the latter including Surface sales, retail upgrades, and corporate volume licenses. The OEM revenue was in line with the overall PC market—a market that fell almost 14 percent last quarter—but the non-OEM share was up 40 percent. Volume licensing grew by double digits, and the company says that two thirds of enterprise desktops are now using Windows 7. With less than a year of Windows XP support remaining, that number should continue to grow.

»arstechnica.com/informat ··· numbers/

I'd guess a significant part of that non-OEM revenue increase was the $40 Win8 Pro retail upgrade licenses that were available through January.

Octavean
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Apparently, Microsoft is lifting the sanction on lower resolution screens allowing for smaller Windows 8 or Windows Blue / 8.1 tablets, like 7" tablets for example. My guess is this will only be seen in Windows Blue / 8.1.

It should be noted however, that the smaller resolution devices will not support The "Snap" feature which allows for two New UI AKA Metro apps on the screen at the same time. The minimum resolution of 1366x768 for the Snap feature is still enforced.

So older computers / PC tablets with a lower resolution such as 1280x800 (or something lower) wont gain this feature.

workablob
join:2004-06-09
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said by Kerodo:

What I don't quite understand is why Apple doesn't slash prices right now and pick up a huge chunk of the desktop and laptop market while people are so dissatisfied with Win 8 machines. They could do that for a year and then slowly raise prices back up again. But maybe they can't. I don't see any indication of it at all.

That's not Apple's business model. They don't want to be associated with the idea of "cheap". Their angle is to give the perception of higher then or above average quality for which one must pay a premium for.

Meanwhile the hardware under the hood is the same thing or essentially the same thing as other PC hardware and tablets. Outer construction may use better materials like aluminum (rather then plastic) and sturdier construction but the value of that is debatable IMO.

OS X and iOS is what makes the products truelly unique.

Agreed.

Apple makes a great product but it is, in a way, a veblen good.

Dave

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Over and Above the OS issues.... If you consider the other hardware that was not supported by new laptops.... ESATA, Firewire, Express Slots....

You keep taking away and people will continue to use old systems... I know, I am.....

signmeuptoo94
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People who seem to defend MS and 8 often talk only about the Metro change, but other things changed too. I ruined a hard drive because I couldn't get 8 to boot to safe mode. Maybe the embedded COA/License is an idea, but sadly, many have had some serious issues with THAT as well. I am sure there are other "shock to the system" changes that have proved unpleasant. I am back to 7 on my desktop, I am disgusted with 8, quite frankly. I tried, I really did.

aurgathor
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I'm not sure how much Win8 had to do with your HD issue because physically ruining a HD with SW is rather difficult, and usually only works in certain selected cases. For the record, I did ruin a 10 meg 5.25" FH MFM HD by SW, but the same method [trying to access non-existing cylinders] shouldn't work on recent HDs.

If it's truly a HW failure, it was most likely coincidental. If it's not a HW failure, you should try some low level programs such as "mhdd" to wipe the HD clean.
aurgathor

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Over and Above the OS issues.... If you consider the other hardware that was not supported by new laptops.... ESATA, Firewire, Express Slots....

What? No support for eSATA, Firewire and Express Card/PCMCIA slot?!? That would be rather interesting....

signmeuptoo94
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Most certainly it CAN be an issue when I couldn't boot to safe mode and booted only to a black screen dozens of times and had to force cycle my system. That is bad for hard drives, right?

Octavean
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It sounds like it could be a hybrid shutdown issue.

I personally disabled that feature on the few systems I've installed Windows 8 on. I don't really see the point of it.

If this is the case I believe it's easily avoided,.....again by disabling it.

signmeuptoo94
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I've posted an account of my experience in the HH forum, I apologize but I don't want to retype it. It starts with a defective video card and then spirals downward...

Octavean
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said by signmeuptoo94:

I've posted an account of my experience in the HH forum, I apologize but I don't want to retype it. It starts with a defective video card and then spirals downward...

I read the first page of your HH thread but it will take a while before I can get through all 4 pages. I'll reframe from commenting on the matter until I get through it.

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Bless you!

aurgathor
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It's possible for a Win8 install to get royally messed up for various reasons and get into an endless reboot-repair cycle -- been there, done that. (have about half a dozen SSDs that were doing just that)

However, it is much more difficult (nigh impossible) to actually damage the HW on modern HD in a short amount of time. Moving parts can be worn out or platters can get scratched, but those are whole different ballgames.
BlitzenZeus
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The worst thing that can happen is a bad right in the file allocation table, or whatever they call it anymore. Nothing like a tons of files losing their marked locations on the disk. I've seen a hdd after it happened, crash, bad write, whatever it was if it lands in the wrong place it can toast the os. The os was unbootable, and after running a disk utility on another computer I was able to restore it, but key files were missing.

Seen the endless reboot with Win 8 also after their new ntfs was not tolerant to older windows operating systems accessing it when this was not a problem for other windows operating systems sharing the same partitions. The previous windows os removed the Win 8 ntfs permissions, and it was unable to boot, even be restored via it's own restore. The older windows os didn't do anything wrong either, it did what it was supposed to do. The new ntfs is a piece of crap, and Microsoft knew they can't play well together.

aurgathor
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I think some of the issues may have to do something with the new GPT style partitions that are standard on certain devices. (i.e. Surfaces)

norwegian
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All Windows 8 with UEFI I believe are GPT, regardless of platform, hardware etc.

I tried to discuss it but the title may have thrown the topic off:
»Win 8 back to Win 7

win_95
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just like we in 2012 consider Windows 95 to be a success when in fact it was "Microsoft's Disaster" of it's day.

Not disputing your Win8/Xbox/phone/tablet integration arguments and don't mean to nitpick, but come on now, how was the Windows 95 launch (or the OS itself) a disaster?!

I remember it fairly clear still: it was an insanely huge event and a giant success for Microsoft. There was electricity in the air leading up to the release of Windows 95. At the midnight releases there were people lined up for blocks to buy it. I don't think there's been a Windows version since then which has captured any of that excitement level. I think it was a bigger event than any of the iDevice releases.

markofmayhem
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said by win_95 :

said by markofmayhem:

just like we in 2012 consider Windows 95 to be a success when in fact it was "Microsoft's Disaster" of it's day.

Not disputing your Win8/Xbox/phone/tablet integration arguments and don't mean to nitpick, but come on now, how was the Windows 95 launch (or the OS itself) a disaster?!

I remember it fairly clear still: it was an insanely huge event and a giant success for Microsoft. There was electricity in the air leading up to the release of Windows 95. At the midnight releases there were people lined up for blocks to buy it. I don't think there's been a Windows version since then which has captured any of that excitement level. I think it was a bigger event than any of the iDevice releases.

And the media tore Windows 95 apart up until those events occurred. Every release of Windows, since 95, is going to be "doom to Microsoft". Meh, others say it better than I can:

»www.pcworld.com/article/ ··· oom.html