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josephf
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Re: T-Mobile + GrooVe IP + Google Voice + HSPA = Fail

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Just did it with my phone.

The app that receives the second incoming call pops up on the screen last, so that app technically "won".

Maybe he has a different setup that allows to choose which one to answer.

How did you test it? You forwarded GV to both GrooVe and to your T-Mobile number? Or you called both (different) numbers simultaneously? If both via GV, which app got the call first? And doesn't the native Android dialer take over the screen, and replace any other app, when it gets an incoming call?

Pinan

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Both apps will pop-up. Typically SP is on top for a ring or two, so I simply answer it. If the native app pops up over SP, I simply dismiss that app (hang it up) and SP is still ringing.

As I remember, Groove did not handle this situation as well. It would ring once or twice then stop, forcing me to answer the native app, or rushing to the home screen and trying to open Groove before the call stopped. Did not work as well. SP never fails me.
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Side note: As I mentioned above, I only want to receive (and make) calls only GV number. Therefore I assign a different ringtone to each app so I can tell which number the call is originating from. This cut down on my answering spam calls, or a bill collector looking for the deadbeat who last had my cell number.

So it's kinda funny when the phone rings, as I get two different ring tones at once. LOL.

josephf
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You should be able to see that a call was made to your native phone number (and not GV) by the fact that your VoIP app doesn't ring. So why the need for a different ring tone?

Pinan

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At times the VoIP apps have failed to ring. No wifi, or poor 4G, etc. I typically have SP set to receive calls only via wifi anyway so....this ensures that I don't miss a call. Gives me a choice. After all, nothing is a sure thing.

josephf
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How do you manage with only 100 minutes a month for all your non-wifi mobile calling?

(And if you have such extensive WiFi access that you rarely need cellular service, why do you even need a wireless data plan rather than simply having no wireless plan and using your Android device for both your VoIP phone and web/app data usage exclusively via WiFi, thus costing you $0/month instead of $30?)
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said by josephf:


How did you test it? You forwarded GV to both GrooVe and to your T-Mobile number? Or you called both (different) numbers simultaneously? If both via GV, which app got the call first? And doesn't the native Android dialer take over the screen, and replace any other app, when it gets an incoming call?

I had GV forward the call to GrooVe and T-Mobile. Both rung; one number after the other. The second number that rung was the app that kept showing up on the screen; or GrooVe.

Native Android dialer didn't take over at all.

I am running Cyanogenmod 10 on my HTC. Not sure if this explains that or not.

josephf
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So it first rang your Android native dialer then a few seconds later rang GrooVe? And once GrooVe rang you could no longer answer it with the native dialer, if you wanted to?

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My, you have a lot of questions *chuckle*.

I'm not a cell phone junkie for starters, so 100 min is way more than enough. The few calls I receive are from people important to me, so I would not wish to miss them. I only make calls when I'm around wifi.

I use 3/4G to view my several web cams, check mail, etc.

All in all well worth the $30 monthly.

All of my home/business phones are VoIP as well. Some free, others very inexpensive. I'm a voipaholic.
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said by josephf:

So it first rang your Android native dialer then a few seconds later rang GrooVe? And once GrooVe rang you could no longer answer it with the native dialer, if you wanted to?

I could've answered the native dialer if I wanted to, but only after I ignored or accepted the GrooVe call. Though I'm fairly certain if I answered the GrooVe dialer, the native one would have barfed if I also tried to answer it. I don't think the phone could share the telephony hardware between two apps when it's theoretically designed for one.

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Does a bluetooth headset work exactly the same, with full functionality, with GrooVe and Spare Phone, as it does with the native Android dialer?
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Couldn't tell you. I'm not using a Bluetooth headset with mine.

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Real VoIP

Have you tried real VoIP with paid service, a softphone, and G.729 compression? You get what you pay for and the compression will bring down bandwidth needs from 88Kbps to 32Kbps. This takes the sting out of area with weak 3G upload.
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According to GrooVe IP, both down and upstreams use 20 Kbp/s combined with G711 codec per GV.

The problem isn't weak upload, it's consistent latency from the handset to the tower.

All things considered, I'm happy so far with the current quality. It's been much better once I left most default settings on the app.

I put in for a number port to GV. Bye bye Simple Mobile.
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Re: T-Mobile + GrooVe IP + Google Voice + HSPA = Fail

Number ported to Google Voice tonight. Easy peasy. And just on time to avoid re-upping the prepaid plan for another month.

I like this setup so far. And I haven't even yet gotten to the nifty number filters or any of those extras in GV.

blohner
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Using GV for my primary home/mobile line for 2+ years and still going strong... You can't go wrong (until it goes wrong and there is no support - thankfully has not happened to me)
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OP,

T-Mobile + Google Voice + HSPA + PIAF (asterisk server) + Sip client = Success

You can follow this instruction: »forum.xda-developers.com ··· =2117336

josephf
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acegolfer: Can someone with no previous experience in setting up an asterisk server or AWS follow your step-by-step instructions successfully?
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How does hosting/using/connecting to my own asterisk box help improve the echo issue?

Except for the occasional cut-out when I speak and the remote party hearing an echo of themselves, it works fine. It seems this is a problem with inconsistent latency on the wireless portion of the data call; or between my phonr and the cell tower.
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acegolfer: Can someone with no previous experience in setting up an asterisk server or AWS follow your step-by-step instructions successfully?

I won't say it's the easiest setup. But there are many helpful people in XDA and PIAF forums.
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How does hosting/using/connecting to my own asterisk box help improve the echo issue?

Except for the occasional cut-out when I speak and the remote party hearing an echo of themselves, it works fine. It seems this is a problem with inconsistent latency on the wireless portion of the data call; or between my phonr and the cell tower.

If you have no problem with GrooveIP, then there's no need to set up an asterisk server. Why make it more complicated?

I was replying to OP whose GrooveIP failed. I couldn't get GrooveIP to work over mobile data either.
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OP would be me

At first it failed miserably but it was because I tinkered with the echo settings right off the bat. It truly does more disservice than it helps.

It works fine for the most. Not sure if echo is something I will ever get rid of as I keep playing with this but for now it will do. At a cost of $30 per month total for me, it's still a steal.
borntochill
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I have a GV number configured on an OBi device. Will the OP's setup coexist with the OBi using the same GV number for both incoming and outgoing calls? Or do I have to choose one or the other?

I've run across a few step-by-steps for each setup (Obi/GV) and (Android/GrooveIP/GV) but not seen one combining the two.

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Both Obi and GrooVe (and SP) use Google Chat to receive incoming calls. Only one Google Chat client can be set to (successfully) receive incoming calls for any given GV number. So it would not work for receiving incoming calls on two devices. (Outgoing would work, though.)

Alternatively, you could set GV to forward to both your Obi (via Google Chat) and to your cell via your cell's native phone number. This will incur standard minutes usage on your cell plan whenever you answer the call on the cell.
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said by josephf:

Both Obi and GrooVe (and SP) use Google Chat to receive incoming calls. Only one Google Chat client can be set to (successfully) receive incoming calls for any given GV number. So it would not work for receiving incoming calls on two devices. (Outgoing would work, though.)

Alternatively, you could set GV to forward to both your Obi (via Google Chat) and to your cell via your cell's native phone number. This will incur standard minutes usage on your cell plan whenever you answer the call on the cell.

Thanks. I've done sort of the reverse. I have the Vonage Mobile app spoofing my GV number for outgoing calls without using any of my limited cell minutes and have my GV number ringing both my OBi and my cell number. From my cell, I make far more outgoing calls than receive incoming, so this arrangement has generally worked out for me so far.

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said by borntochill:

said by josephf:

Alternatively, you could set GV to forward to both your Obi (via Google Chat) and to your cell via your cell's native phone number. This will incur standard minutes usage on your cell plan whenever you answer the call on the cell.

I've done sort of the reverse. I have the Vonage Mobile app spoofing my GV number for outgoing calls without using any of my limited cell minutes and have my GV number ringing both my OBi and my cell number.

You seem to be describing the precise setup I suggested for incoming calls. (Not the reverse.) You just added Vonage for the outgoing portion.
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said by josephf:

said by borntochill:

said by josephf:

Alternatively, you could set GV to forward to both your Obi (via Google Chat) and to your cell via your cell's native phone number. This will incur standard minutes usage on your cell plan whenever you answer the call on the cell.

I've done sort of the reverse. I have the Vonage Mobile app spoofing my GV number for outgoing calls without using any of my limited cell minutes and have my GV number ringing both my OBi and my cell number.

You seem to be describing the precise setup I suggested for incoming calls. (Not the reverse.) You just added Vonage for the outgoing portion.

Right. My reading comprehension's suffering today. Sorry.
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said by tired_runner:

OP would be me

At first it failed miserably but it was because I tinkered with the echo settings right off the bat. It truly does more disservice than it helps.

It works fine for the most. Not sure if echo is something I will ever get rid of as I keep playing with this but for now it will do. At a cost of $30 per month total for me, it's still a steal.

My bad.

With asterisk server, you will use a sip client on the phone. I use csipsimple which has far more options than grooveIP to eliminate echo.

If you go to XDA, you will find csip settings suggested for your specific phone. FYI, my phone is a Nexus4, which is not the best VoIP phone.

I agree that $30/m with unlimited GV calling is a steal.

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acegolfer: What makes one Android phone better than another for VoIP? And what are some examples of the better ones for this purpose?
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said by josephf:

acegolfer: What makes one Android phone better than another for VoIP? And what are some examples of the better ones for this purpose?

Nexus4 doesn't support hardware echo canceling for VoIP calls. Some XDA members moved back to Galaxy Nexus because it supports VoIP better than Nexus4.