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telcodad

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Re: [HD] Get Ready for "Ultra-HDTV"

Well, maybe if the cable MSOs can squeeze it down a little bit more, by doing a 2:1 variable-bit-rate stat-mux kind of thing, they could bundle 2 Ultra-HD streams into a single 256-QAM video carrier/channel (with a data throughput of 38.8 Mbps)?

See: »Comcast Cable TV FAQ »What is QAM? (which SpHeRe31459 See Profile himself just recently edited - thanks!)
and: »Re: Picture quality question Comcast vs DirecTV



telcodad

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With its new 4K Ultra-HD TVs shipping this week, Sony has now launched a marketing campaign for them:

Sony Launches 4K Ultra HD TV Marketing Campaign
PR Newswire - May 20, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news-releases···161.html

Also see: »www.sony.com/4ktv

EDIT: Some of the TV commercials for it:
»www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl···hfotELHs
»www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl···vCZtNW9s



telcodad

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FYI - Saw this line at the end of an article about Peabody, MA getting ready for the franchise license renewal process for Comcast's services there:

quote:
[Comcast spokesman Marc Goodman] also says Comcast is ready to offer “4K” television quality, accommodating new TV technology that provides a picture four times sharper than standard high definition.
Comcast renewal nearing in Peabody
By Alan Burke, The Salem News - May 29, 2013
»www.salemnews.com/local/x2026366···-Peabody


telcodad

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If you're considering buying a 4K Ultra-HDTV set soon, you may want to wait until ones with an HDMI 2.0 input become available:

HDMI 2.0 explained: Does 4K Ultra HD’s future hinge on a cable standard?
By Ted Kritsonis, Digital Trends - May 28, 2013
»www.digitaltrends.com/home-theat···plained/



telcodad

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said by telcodad:

FYI - Saw this line at the end of an article about Peabody, MA getting ready for the franchise license renewal process for Comcast's services there:

quote:
[Comcast spokesman Marc Goodman] also says Comcast is ready to offer “4K” television quality, accommodating new TV technology that provides a picture four times sharper than standard high definition.

From an article (»www.multichannel.com/index.php?q···s/143793) on this week's Cable Show:
quote:
UltraHD
TV makers are making a bet that UltraHD, a format that offers four times the resolution of traditional HDTV, will push the needle at retail in a way that 3D failed to. While it might be surprising to see any MSOs announce 4K video packages at this juncture, expect the industry’s video encoding and set-top vendors to make announcements showing how they are making progress in that direction. Expect much of that early chatter to focus on H.265/High Efficiency Video Coding, a codec that’s designed to be about 50% more efficient than MPEG-4/H.264.



telcodad

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At this week's Cable Show, Comcast is demonstrating a system that streams 4K Ultra-HD programming to subscribers:

Comcast demo lights path to 4K Ultra TV
By Steve Donohue, FierceCable - June 11, 2013
»www.fiercecable.com/story/comcas···-06-11-0



telcodad

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Press release from Comcast:

Comcast Harnesses the Power of Its Network to Demonstrate the Future of Broadband Speed and 4K Ultra HD Video
Chairman and CEO Brian L. Roberts Demonstrates 3+Gbps Broadband Connection; Comcast Also Provides First Public U.S. Based Transmission of 4K Ultra HD Video

Press Release, Business Wire - June 11, 2013
»www.businesswire.com/news/home/2···roadband

EDIT: On the Comcast Voices blog: »corporate.comcast.com/news-infor···hd-video



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said by telcodad:

Press release from Comcast:

Comcast Harnesses the Power of Its Network to Demonstrate the Future of Broadband Speed and 4K Ultra HD Video
Chairman and CEO Brian L. Roberts Demonstrates 3+Gbps Broadband Connection


For some reason the scene of Emperor Palpatine in Return of the Jedi monologuing...

The Emperor: [In the throne room, Luke is watching the Imperial fleet attack the Rebels from the huge throne room window] As you can see, my young apprentice, your friends have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!
[the Emperor hits the comlink switch on his throne]
The Emperor: Fire at will, Commander!


...just popped into my head reading that article title.
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Two is one, one is none. If it's important, have a back up... 99.999% availability just isn't enough sometimes.


telcodad

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Some more details on the Cablelabs Ultra-HDTV demo in this article on the Variety site:

Cable Show: CableLabs Kicks Tires on Ultra HD
Industry's R&D consortium also demos next-generation cable modem tech running at up to 6 Gbps

By Todd Spangler, Variety - June 11, 2013
»variety.com/2013/digital/news/ca···0495345/

quote:
At the Cable Show, CableLabs showed 4K content playing on a Sony Ultra HD television. One segment was encoded in MPEG-4 at a variable bit rate of between 60 and 120 megabits per second, and another was in HEVC at 20 Mbps.


telcodad

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An article on the MCN site today about Comcast's 4K Ultra-HDTV demo at the Cable Show:

Cable Show 2013: Comcast: We'll Be Ready for Ultra HD
MSO Demos UltraHD/4K Video Running Over DOCSIS 3.0 and QAM

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 12, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/distributio···d/143864



telcodad

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An article on the TVNewsCheck site today:

Pagano: ESPN Plans To Be The 4K Leader
The cable sports giant is building a brand new, massive sports production center that Chief Technology Officer Chuck Pagano says will be future proof — able to handle upcoming 4K and 8K production.

TVNewsCheck - June 13, 2013
»www.tvnewscheck.com/article/6823···k-leader



telcodad

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said by telcodad:

An article on the MCN site today about Comcast's 4K Ultra-HDTV demo at the Cable Show:

Cable Show 2013: Comcast: We'll Be Ready for Ultra HD
MSO Demos UltraHD/4K Video Running Over DOCSIS 3.0 and QAM

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 12, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/distributio···d/143864

Karl Bode has a DSL Reports news item about this now: »Comcast Promises to Be Ready for 4K TV


telcodad

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Sony and FIFA TV will test 4K Ultra-HD for two first round matches and a semi-final match in this month's FIFA Confederations Cup:

FIFA Confederations Cup Testing 4K; Might Lead To World Cup "Ultra HD" Broadcast
Sony and FIFA TV will test run the Ultra HD technology at three matches, to help decide whether it will be employed at the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil.

By Carolyn Giardina, The Hollywood Reporter - June 14, 2013
»www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind···k-565612



telcodad

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said by telcodad:

An article on the TVNewsCheck site today:

Pagano: ESPN Plans To Be The 4K Leader
The cable sports giant is building a brand new, massive sports production center that Chief Technology Officer Chuck Pagano says will be future proof — able to handle upcoming 4K and 8K production.

TVNewsCheck - June 13, 2013
»www.tvnewscheck.com/article/6823···k-leader

ESPN’s CTO isn't convinced yet that 4K Ultra-HD will take off, but ESPN is starting to build a technical framework for it, so it'll be ready if/when it does:

ESPN CTO: It’s Too Early to Make Big Bets on 4K TV
Chuck Pagano Says Net Laying Foundation as Ultra TV Develops, Reflects on ESPN’s 3D ‘Experiment’

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - June 21, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/distributio···v/144034


telcodad

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While some major programmers like ESPN take a wait-and-see approach to 4K, TV makers are working on ways to supply Ultra-HD content that can take advantage of the pricey sets they’re trying to sell to consumers:

Priming the 4K Pump
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel New - June 21, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blogs/baumi···-4k-pump



telcodad

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On the other hand:

Bad News TV Industry, Bernstein Says 4K May Be An Unsellable Feature
By Jeff Rosz, Screen Fury - June 24, 2013
»screenfury.com/bad-news-tv-indus···feature/



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Eventually as the cost of manufacturing goes down and the prices for 4K TV's are in line with what we pay today for 1080p TV's, then to me it's a no brainer.

Like all technology, something better comes out at a high cost... but then in time that better thing becomes standard and the cost is lowered to what is considered the "norm". With HEVC compression, the impact on the network is the same as it is with HDTV today. So I think it may take some time, however one day we will be on various forums complaining about why our providers are not carrying a particular channel in 4K. We will be moaning and groaning on why a particular channel is only in 1080i, or why our wives or girlfriends can't change the channel to the proper channel number that tunes the 4K version of a particular network.

One day, you will see this!



wolf0621

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It's not even necessarily "better" products, but has more to do with whether something can be packaged as new & be made appealing to the masses. Companies are happy to sell it to you whether it's better or not, can't imagine that CC would be an exception. Early adopter types (and those for whom money is no object) excluded of course...

I've been reading lots of pro & con articles about 4k but ultimately what will get it off the ground is mass acceptance, which doesn't necessarily require that it be better. It can also be better objectively speaking but not relevant based on other factors (like viewing distance vs additional resolution, e.g. are you sitting close enough to notice that extra detail?).

Sometimes improvements are too compelling to pass up like HD vs SD & almost sells itself but seems to me that this jump from 1080p to 4k is more evolutionary than revolutionary. I don't think it changes everything like HD did (at least for me). I've seen some instore demos of the limited number of 4k sets now for sale, being fed by 4k sources. Yeah it's a sharper picture (if I stand close enough) with marginally better color reproduction but $5k-$7k, or $25k if you want to go really big?

The prices of hardware & media for 4k have to come in line with current 1080p pricing for it to really catch on. Once it reaches the point where 4k is just considered the latest HD feature that's included in most sets (like 1080p is now) then it will have turned the corner. I'm personally more excited about OLED (if it ever actually gets here). And let's keep in mind that what you're currently watching on HD cable isn't even in 1080p yet, it's still 1080i at best although my box has a 1080p passthrough setting. Maybe CC will skip that step completely & go straight to 4k...?

Maybe I should start getting excited about 8k! ESPN is supposedly building new production facilities not far from here that will be 8k-ready, and didn't Japan at one point do some type of successful test or demo with 16k transmissions?



telcodad

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said by wolf0621 :

Yeah it's a sharper picture (if I stand close enough) with marginally better color reproduction but $5k-$7k, or $25k if you want to go really big?

The prices of hardware & media for 4k have to come in line with current 1080p pricing for it to really catch on. Once it reaches the point where 4k is just considered the latest HD feature that's included in most sets (like 1080p is now) then it will have turned the corner. I'm personally more excited about OLED (if it ever actually gets here). And let's keep in mind that what you're currently watching on HD cable isn't even in 1080p yet, it's still 1080i at best although my box has a 1080p passthrough setting. Maybe CC will skip that step completely & go straight to 4k...?

I'm looking forward to large-screen OLED displays myself.

Not sure how good their U-HDTV sets are (e.g., a 4K mode refresh rate of only 30Hz), but SEIKI Digital has released some 4K U-HDTV sets at some (relatively) low prices - an MSRP of $1500 for their SE50UY04 50-inch set and an MSRP of $699 for their SE39UY04 39-inch set, with plans to release a 65-inch model by this fall:

SEIKI Expands Its 4K Ultra HDTV Line With A New 39-inch Model
SEIKI to Introduce a 65-inch 4K Model by Fall 2013

Press Release, PR Newswire - June 24, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news-releases···501.html

SpHeRe31459

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said by telcodad:

said by wolf0621 :

Yeah it's a sharper picture (if I stand close enough) with marginally better color reproduction but $5k-$7k, or $25k if you want to go really big?

The prices of hardware & media for 4k have to come in line with current 1080p pricing for it to really catch on. Once it reaches the point where 4k is just considered the latest HD feature that's included in most sets (like 1080p is now) then it will have turned the corner. I'm personally more excited about OLED (if it ever actually gets here). And let's keep in mind that what you're currently watching on HD cable isn't even in 1080p yet, it's still 1080i at best although my box has a 1080p passthrough setting. Maybe CC will skip that step completely & go straight to 4k...?

I'm looking forward to large-screen OLED displays myself.

Not sure how good their U-HDTV sets are (e.g., a 4K mode refresh rate of only 30Hz), but SEIKI Digital has released some 4K U-HDTV sets at some (relatively) low prices - an MSRP of $1500 for their SE50UY04 50-inch set and an MSRP of $699 for their SE39UY04 39-inch set, with plans to release a 65-inch model by this fall:

SEIKI Expands Its 4K Ultra HDTV Line With A New 39-inch Model
SEIKI to Introduce a 65-inch 4K Model by Fall 2013

Press Release, PR Newswire - June 24, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news-releases···501.html

The Seiki is barebones, super cheap Chinese stuff. It has poor black levels, inaccurate settings, and no ability to really be tweaked. A bunch of legit home theater reviewers have had hands on with it and found it to be terrible at dealing with anything but perfect 1080p and 4k material, which of course means all cable and DVD content looks like crap on it. As you could imagine that means they cheaped out on any kind of proper scaling/deinterlacing that becomes critically important at three times the resolution of 1080p.


wolf0621

@rogers.com

A bit off topic but here's an article contrasting 4k & OLED, other sites like CNET & digitaltrends have posted similar articles:

»www.technologyguide.com/feature/···evision/

If this is to be believed then OLED can actually make 1080p look better than native 4k looks on a good 4k set, and "only" requires new hardware not new content. So I think I'm hanging my hopes more on OLED & if 4k happens it happens. If it gets cheap enough we may even have 4k OLED displays which means I'll never have to leave the house again...



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Samsung rolled-out it's first large-screen OLED HDTV today - a 55-inch model priced at $13,000, as well as two new Ultra-HD LCD sets (55-inch and 65-inch models):

Samsung rolls out OLED TV as production glitches linger
By Miyoung Kim, Reuters - June 27, 2013
»www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/···20130627

An article about this: »www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-···3144.htm



telcodad

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said by telcodad:

While some major programmers like ESPN take a wait-and-see approach to 4K, TV makers are working on ways to supply Ultra-HD content that can take advantage of the pricey sets they’re trying to sell to consumers:

Priming the 4K Pump
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel New - June 21, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blogs/baumi···-4k-pump

Sony is now taking preorders on their 4K Ultra-HD Media Player which will be available at a price of $699 starting July 15th:

Sony 4K Video Player To Reach Retail on July 15
Taking Preorders on $699 Device that Comes Preloaded with Ten Movies in Ultra HD Format

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 2, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/index.php?q···5/144231


telcodad

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Samsung will be coming out with a pair of Ultra-HDTVs next month, with a 55-inch model going for about $5,500 and a 65-inch model for about $7,500:

Samsung Lowers UHD TV Prices
By David Goetzl, MediaPost - July 10, 2013
»www.mediapost.com/publications/a···ces.html



telcodad

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said by telcodad:

If you're considering buying a 4K Ultra-HDTV set soon, you may want to wait until ones with an HDMI 2.0 input become available:

HDMI 2.0 explained: Does 4K Ultra HD’s future hinge on a cable standard?
By Ted Kritsonis, Digital Trends - May 28, 2013
»www.digitaltrends.com/home-theat···plained/

The CEA has now published a new DTV Profile for Uncompressed High-Speed Digital Interfaces, CEA-861-F, which applies to HDMI:

CEA Publishes New DTV Interface Standard
Will support 4K and other newer video formats

By George Winslow, Broadcasting & Cable - June 15, 2013
»www.broadcastingcable.com/articl···dard.php