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The Shadow
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Re: NYC Police Comm'r:Privacy Is 'Off the Table' After Boston...

said by Cthen:

This guy is just the commissioner, as the article states, he/they are looking into it, and that is probably about as far as it will go. All this guy is doing is blowing sunshine up into the ass of the press to get attention.

I was under the impression that in NYC the Police Commssioner is what every other major city and town calls the Chief of Police. Or am I misinformed or mistaked about that? NYC is "different" abot a lot of things that are tied to government when it comes to titles and procedures, etc.

If he is the Police of Chief or equivalent I would think that his opinion an input would carry a lot weight even though he lacks the arbitrary or unilateral ability to do what he proposes soleley under his own authority.


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It appears that this article is fairly biased against surveillance cameras in public places.

It fails to adequately give kudos to the fact that the cameras in Boston DID identify the bombers, the exact type of thing these cameras are for. I don't believe they are interested in Joe Public walking down the streeting picking his nose. Although I don't doubt that Joe wouldn't want that caught on camera. Joe forgets there is no guarantee of privacy while out in public.
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said by La Luna:

It fails to adequately give kudos to the fact that the cameras in Boston DID identify the bombers...

Yes, private camera's installed by businesses did allow them to be identified after the bombing.

...the exact type of thing these cameras are for.

I disagree. Those camera were primarily there to catch shoplifters, vandals and so on.

Gummint cameras will track you 24/7/365 in real-time and the data will go who knows where. Private cameras don't do that (why would they?). That is the difference everyone seems to ignore.
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And one more important thing to remember. Business owned cameras roll over the old stuff on a regular basis, while government collected spy data goes to The NSA Is Building the Country's Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say), where it will be kept ... forever?
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said by OZO:

...Business owned cameras roll over the old stuff on a regular basis...

Yep. A point I made above.

»Re: NYC Police Comm'r:Privacy Is 'Off the Table' After Boston...
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said by The Shadow:

I was under the impression that in NYC the Police Commssioner is what every other major city and town calls the Chief of Police.

actually he has about 5 or 6 chiefs that report directly to him and he is a direct report to the mayor. (through the deputy mayor for public safety)
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said by AVD:

said by The Shadow:

I was under the impression that in NYC the Police Commssioner is what every other major city and town calls the Chief of Police.

actually he has about 5 or 6 chiefs that report directly to him and he is a direct report to the mayor. (through the deputy mayor for public safety)

So it sounds like he is the equivalent of "CHIEF of POLICE." He just has the NYC tradition of different titles and their way of doing things unique to NYC: In this case Police Commissioner=Chief of Police.

Most major citys top cop commonly called the Chief of Police. For instance in Los Angeles you have within the LAPD the Chief of Police and then there are a total of 12 Deputy Chiefs or Assistant Chiefs in support, (they are equivalent in rank.)

Thanks for the explanation.


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Just to clarify, Chicago has a SUPERINTENDENT of Police.

»portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/···ar12.pdf

Last I checked, we were one of the largest cities in The Americas.



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said by The Shadow:

If he is the Police of Chief or equivalent I would think that his opinion an input would carry a lot weight even though he lacks the arbitrary or unilateral ability to do what he proposes soleley under his own authority.

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said by The Shadow:

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a truly public place

And tell that to a cop who you just recorded beating the crap out of a suspect in a public place.


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said by The Shadow:

said by AVD:

said by The Shadow:

I was under the impression that in NYC the Police Commssioner is what every other major city and town calls the Chief of Police.

actually he has about 5 or 6 chiefs that report directly to him and he is a direct report to the mayor. (through the deputy mayor for public safety)

So it sounds like he is the equivalent of "CHIEF of POLICE." He just has the NYC tradition of different titles and their way of doing things unique to NYC: In this case Police Commissioner=Chief of Police.

Most major citys top cop commonly called the Chief of Police. For instance in Los Angeles you have within the LAPD the Chief of Police and then there are a total of 12 Deputy Chiefs or Assistant Chiefs in support, (they are equivalent in rank.)

Thanks for the explanation.

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said by AVD:

no

What I've stated about LAPD is correct. I rely (absent a detailed dissenting view with corrections) upon the other poster's explanation regarding othe departments at face value to be correct.

So it appears based upon what has been posted as of this post is all correct.

If not what is incorrect? Where it is incorrect what is the accurate or correct information?

Since the Police Commissioner is the top cop in NYC as I understand it and I assume answers only to the mayor or a police commission than his recommendations carry signficant weight.


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NYC Police Commissioner is a civilian appointed post. Chief of the Department is the top cop.

The LAPD answers to a 5 member Board of Police Commissioners through an appointed Chief of Police. The mayor appoints the Chief with unanimous approval of the Board. The Chief reports to the Board of Police Commissioners.
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said by markofmayhem:

NYC Police Commissioner is a civilian appointed post. Chief of the Department is the top cop.

So who is the, (singular) top cop or the traditional equivalent of the "Chief of Police" that commands the entire NYPD for the City of New York? What's his title and name? Who does he or she report or answer to in the chain of command?


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said by The Shadow:

said by markofmayhem:

NYC Police Commissioner is a civilian appointed post. Chief of the Department is the top cop.

So who is the, (singular) top cop or the traditional equivalent of the "Chief of Police" that commands the entire NYPD for the City of New York? What's his title and name? Who does he or she report or answer to in the chain of command?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYPD#Ranks_of_the_NYPD

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»www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/admin···on.shtml
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