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Davesnothere
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Re: Windows XP: Remove the Cable, Tape Up the Ethernet Port

said by PX Eliezer:

....Microsoft refused to provide a direct upgrade path from Windows XP to Windows 7.

(I would have had to go through Vista as a middleman---Ugh, and no thanks)

Because MS refused to provide a direct upgrade path from WinXP to Win7, they can go to hell.

 
Come to think of it, I DID lament that shortcoming at the time that 7 came out.

However, as I am a late adopter of most new things, I was just getting familiar with Vista at that time, factory loaded on a used box which had come my way, and I actually don't mind it, once the two Service Packs are added, and continue to use that box, along with an XP one, and the Win2K Thinkpad.

Besides, so much of what changed (under the hood) from XP to Vista (such as the folder hierarchy and command line apps for partitioning and 'ghosting'), has not changed much further, if at all, from Vista to 7.

Sure, the UI has been revised, to give that "It's a whole different OS, folks !" feeling, and some defaults are different, but to me, 7 is just Vista with a shell change, and that's not necessarily criticism (nor praise) of either OS.

XP (and Win2K) is still very much 'The devil we know' to me.

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said by NetFixer:

What can I say except that us old fossils have to stick together. I am from the era when vacuum tube computers were just beginning to be developed, and I wear the fossil label with pride.

My "13 year old software" does everything I need it to do. Why should I spend hard to come by money just because somebody else decides that I need new software?

 
HEAR, HEAR !

My lineage is similar to yours, and I still know how to mend old vacuum tube audio amplifiers and such, if any present themselves, and have the test equipment to help me do so.

I only retired my Win 98 box when I decided that I needed larger hard drive partitions than 98 supports, and it wasn't ALL that long ago.


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said by Davesnothere:

My lineage is similar to yours, and I still know how to mend old vacuum tube audio amplifiers and such, if any present themselves, and have the test equipment to help me do so.

I'll remember that if I ever blow any more tubes in my Pioneer tube amp.


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whoa!..............guz...........springz here.......look outside.......go 4a walk..........wash the car............have a beer...............go ahead mingle.......under the dome starts in a couple weeks.........;==))



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said by Trihexagonal:

I'll remember that if I ever blow any more tubes in my Pioneer tube amp.

Actually I think there's a small but active market in vacuum tubes. Many audiophiles and old-school folks repair and maintain such systems--even computers



ENIAC Type Arithmetic System-Computer

And not being connected to the internet I bet that ENIAC is secure even though "support" has long since ended
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All you need is some malware that can replug the ENIAC cables that constitute the 'programming' ...



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In the ENIAC days I think "malware" referred to a malicious operator. Remember the days when computers had full-time staff ("operators") to keep them going?
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Indeed I do. There's a couple of million dollars worth of 1970s mainframe in my basement (well, sort of: it's emulated on a more-or-less worthless Pentium M, though it runs a lot faster than the real thing) running a 1970s operating system, that now and then demands that the operator (emulated by me) mount tape reel #777776 on unit 31 (emulated by a fairly small disk file) so it can do its incremental dump.

The scary thing is that I have used the same OS in its native habitat.



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Ohhhh, so you're using 40-yr old software? And I bet it hasn't had any security updates for a while either

How do you get the punchcards in?
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reply to Davesnothere

said by Davesnothere:

HEAR, HEAR !

My lineage is similar to yours, and I still know how to mend old vacuum tube audio amplifiers and such, if any present themselves, and have the test equipment to help me do so.

This is a photo of the only vacuum tube equipment I still have that sees active usage:




I saved mine from a briny grave in Chesapeake Bay after the Navy replaced it with a solid state device. I do also still have a vacuum tube RT test box that was saved from a similar burial at sea, but I can't remember the last time I needed to plug it into AC power and power it up (the ARR-41 just keeps on running, so I haven't needed the test equipment).
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Is that one of those radios that you have to let warm up before you can safely transmit or risk damage to the tubes? I seem to remember once encountering an old ham set that would have to be turned on and let sit for a little bit to warm up the tubes.
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said by Kearnstd:

Is that one of those radios that you have to let warm up before you can safely transmit or risk damage to the tubes? I seem to remember once encountering an old ham set that would have to be turned on and let sit for a little bit to warm up the tubes.

It does indeed have to warm up (that is the nature of how vacuum tubes work), but that particular box is only a receiver, so transmitting is/was not a problem*. I have heard of the symptom you speak of, but I never used a transmitter (military or commercial...I was a broadcast engineer for a while after leaving the Navy) where that was actually a problem (proper engineering is the key).

* When I sat in the radio operator position on the P2V where it was formerly used, that box was used to monitor a secondary frequency (I used a stereo headset with one channel in the left ear, another channel in the right ear, and on-board comm in the middle). But I would have to change the frequency on my primary HF transceiver if I needed to actively communicate on that secondary frequency. The upgrade I mentioned replaced the receiver with a newer state of the art transceiver, so it was a very useful upgrade (I just hated to see the old ARR-41 boxes dumped into the ocean...both for sentimental and environmental reasons; so I rescued one of them).
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said by Phoenix22:

whoa!..............guz...........springz here.......look outside.......go 4a walk..........wash the car............have a beer...............go ahead mingle.......under the dome starts in a couple weeks.........;==))

Pfft, the old fogeys are too busy reminiscing. You can go for a walk, but stay off their lawn.
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said by sivran:

said by Phoenix22:

whoa!..............guz...........springz here.......look outside.......go 4a walk..........wash the car............have a beer...............go ahead mingle.......under the dome starts in a couple weeks.........;==))

Pfft, the old fogeys are too busy reminiscing. You can go for a walk, but stay off their lawn.

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said by sivran:

My eight year old Sempron ran better under XP than under the Xubuntu it currently runs.

Wonderful, now install Windows 8 on the same hardware, which runs faster, Xubuntu or Windows 8?

I think we both know the answer to that one without even testing it.


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said by StuartMW:

Actually I think there's a small but active market in vacuum tubes. Many audiophiles and old-school folks repair and maintain such systems--even computers

[att=1]
ENIAC Type Arithmetic System-Computer

And not being connected to the internet I bet that ENIAC is secure even though "support" has long since ended

How long can you run that thing before the power company comes over and tells you to knock it off before you blow the substation?


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said by intok:

said by sivran:

My eight year old Sempron ran better under XP than under the Xubuntu it currently runs.

Wonderful, now install Windows 8 on the same hardware, which runs faster, Xubuntu or Windows 8?

I think we both know the answer to that one without even testing it.

Probably Windows 8.

Vista would be terrible, I'm sure, but 7 and 8 I couldn't really tell much of a difference performance-wise (ok, aside from 8's quick bootup) between them and XP on the same hardware. That's part of the reason I skipped 7. That was on fairly decent (dual core and quad core, 4-8GB RAM) hardware, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see it outperform Ubuntu on the old box. I would be surprised if it ran better than XP on that old box though.

Okay, my experience with Ubuntu has been pretty crappy and it's only laziness (and lack of GUI use) that keeps me running it.

Also my Xubuntu box has more RAM than your average machine of that era. A whole 1.25 GB!
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said by NetFixer:
Thanks for the humorous article (I assume that humor was the reason you started this thread).
You're welcome. FWIW I had mixed feelings after reading the article: disbelief, dismay and a laugh attack too.
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said by intok:

said by StuartMW:

Actually I think there's a small but active market in vacuum tubes. Many audiophiles and old-school folks repair and maintain such systems--even computers

[att=1]
ENIAC Type Arithmetic System-Computer

And not being connected to the internet I bet that ENIAC is secure even though "support" has long since ended

How long can you run that thing before the power company comes over and tells you to knock it off before you blow the substation?

Or the cops come by thinking they are growing weed.(apparently indoor weed production uses a lot of power and makes a lot of heat.)
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said by PX Eliezer:

Why can't I buy a car from Costco? ...

You can...
»www.costcoauto.com/enterzipcode.···ult.aspx


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LOL. How do you fit it in a cart and get it through the checkout?
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said by StuartMW:

LOL. How do you fit it in a cart and get it through the checkout?

Maybe you just have to combine the two (the car and the cart)... Big Shopping Cart
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said by Trihexagonal:

There's these Operating Systems things called Linux and BSD and I hear they're giving them away for free... And word is they run great on old machines!

Who woulda thunkit?

No they don't. You can format and install Windows XP faster than it takes to open Konquoror on P3 with a ATI Rage video card.


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said by patcat88:

No they don't. You can format and install Windows XP faster than it takes to open Konquoror on P3 with a ATI Rage video card.

Konquoror is a browser, not an OS, and has nothing to do with the base system performance.

But you're welcome to your opinion, even if isn't based on fact, and to use Windows too.

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said by Trihexagonal:

Konquoror is a browser, not an OS, and has nothing to do with the base system performance.

But you're welcome to your opinion, even if isn't based on fact, and to use Windows too.

Linux isn't an OS either, its a unusable kernel. Try typing a command to run without a 3rd party shell app.


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said by patcat88:

Linux isn't an OS either, its a unusable kernel. Try typing a command to run without a 3rd party shell app.

I know Linux is not an OS, but BSD is, and Linux is generally referred to as an OS. You may find it unusable but, again, that's just your opinion.

I build FreeBSD from scratch and it's up to me what programs I install, including Xorg, without which it only requires a PII and 64MB RAM to run. With X it needs 256MB RAM.

quote:
2.2.1.1 FreeBSD/i386

FreeBSD/i386 requires a 486 or better processor and at least 64 MB of RAM. At least 1.1 GB of free hard drive space is needed for the most minimal installation.

»www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/han···are.html

I've ran it on a 1.2GHz Celeron with 256MB RAM, an Intel i945 graphics chip, and 20GB HD.


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said by patcat88:

You can format and install Windows XP faster than it takes to open Konquoror on P3 with a ATI Rage video card.

Well theres your problem, the only reason you'd have a useless browser like Konquoror on your P3 is if you where running that bloatware with the moronic naming scheme KDE.

Switch to Mate, LXDE or something else that isn't so top heavy. Firefox will also run quite nicely on that P3, especially if you block all ads and don't install flash. You may even be able to watch some HTML5 videos on it.


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I had Puppy Linux installed on a 486SX 33Mhz with only 16Mb of ram. It ran fine.



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Wary Puppy is specifically meant to be run on old hardware. I ran 5.2.2 on that laptop from time to time booting from a USB stick and burned my own custom Live DVD of it once I got it set up.


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said by intok:

I had Puppy Linux installed on a 486SX 33Mhz with only 16Mb of ram. It ran fine.

It is much better than Ubuntu, but still slower GUI response times than Win XP classic mode.