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Re: I am stuck in the fight between spamcop and AT&T-Yahoo!said by Dick Lasswel:Eh, cancel that.
If I send it to myself, it doesn't go to a Yahoo! server. But if I send it to anyone else, it does. So the problem isn't uniquely with outbound.att.net.
Works for me. This did not touch a Yahoo! server: Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 209.85.220.44)
smtp.mailfrom=********@gmail.com; dkim=none header.d=pacbell.net;
x-hmca=none header.id=********@pacbell.net
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Subject: [TEST] Just a POC ...
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 12:29:49 -0700
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Works for me. This did not touch a Yahoo! server:
Not sure I explained correctly what I did. (Excuse the other response, which I may have accidentally posted!) I'm using Thunderbird as my e-mail client, and I'm running into these Yahoo issues through that. Normally, I send my TBird e-mails to the outgoing server outbound.att.net. Those e-mails were being Yahoo-ized. But I noticed that from my Gmail account, my e-mails didn't go through Yahoo. So I have no trouble communicating with my e-mail target. I just have to do it with Gmail. But I thought, hey, if that works, why don't I just change the TBird outgoing server to smtp.gmail.com. That should do it! Well, it didn't. The POP e-mail gets sent, but somehow it goes through Yahoo. I don't have a clue why that doesn't work. How does the Gmail server know I'm an AT&T customer?? Am I missing something? |
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said by Dick Lasswel:quote:
Works for me. This did not touch a Yahoo! server:
Not sure I explained correctly what I did. (Excuse the other response, which I may have accidentally posted!) I'm using Thunderbird as my e-mail client, and I'm running into these Yahoo issues through that. Normally, I send my TBird e-mails to the outgoing server outbound.att.net. Those e-mails were being Yahoo-ized. But I noticed that from my Gmail account, my e-mails didn't go through Yahoo. So I have no trouble communicating with my e-mail target. I just have to do it with Gmail. But I thought, hey, if that works, why don't I just change the TBird outgoing server to smtp.gmail.com. That should do it! Well, it didn't. The POP e-mail gets sent, but somehow it goes through Yahoo. I don't have a clue why that doesn't work. How does the Gmail server know I'm an AT&T customer?? Am I missing something? I suspect that you simply don't have Thunderbird configured the way you think that you have it configured. I can setup the SeaMonkey email client (which is based on the same Mozilla code as Thunderbird), to send email from any email address through any outgoing email server that I setup. Look very carefully at how you have each email account setup for which outbound email server it is setup to use. As a test, I just setup an att.net email account that uses the Xfinity (Comcast) residential SMTP server for outgoing email, and I sent a test email to my msn.com account. Here are the email account setup screens for that test: 
Here is a screen shot of the MSN account inbox (in SeaMonkey) for that received email: 
And here is the full (edited for spam control) email source for that email: From - Tue May 07 19:52:19 2013
X-Account-Key: account4
X-UIDL: 74817D47-B779-11E2-9245-00215AD8577A
X-Mozilla-Status: 0000
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
X-Mozilla-Keys:
x-store-info:J++/JTCzmObr++wNraA4Pa4f5Xd6uensydyekesGC2M=
Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=none (sender IP is 76.96.62.24) smtp.mailfrom=MyName@att.net; dkim=none header.d=att.net; x-hmca=none header.id=MyName@att.net
X-SID-PRA: MyName@att.net
X-AUTH-Result: NONE
X-SID-Result: NONE
X-Message-Status: n:n
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTE7YT0xO0Q9MTtHRD0xO1NDTD0w
X-Message-Info: aKlYzGSc+LntszwVaofz59pRsTsKNYvzJBojdc4kA/jWk6nY55CTpfjqZP03wCoLVZFOYrhmWEJwfzzC7RXD0iYHbhH+bGBUGW82m3mpXUIWPsZatQFjk5WrgV1mKC92j1jjE6kOtri2F1YbPsRECsWizexBy+cEhzeYl/DE4BQ=
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This is a test email sent from an att.net account through comcast.net to
a msn.com account.
If you are sure that you have Thunderbird configured correctly, but the email that you want to go through the Gmail server is still going through the ATT/Yahoo! server, post the same information that I did. You especially need to include the (edited for privacy) full source of at least the email headers of one of the misdirected emails. Do that and someone can probably figure out what is actually happening and suggest a solution. |
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said by Dick Lasswel:But I thought, hey, if that works, why don't I just change the TBird outgoing server to smtp.gmail.com. That should do it! Well, it didn't. The POP e-mail gets sent, but somehow it goes through Yahoo. I don't have a clue why that doesn't work. How does the Gmail server know I'm an AT&T customer??
Am I missing something?
Yes. If you set up two, or more, different accounts, each is connected to its own default server: 
Mozilla Thunderbird SMTP server list.
When you compose, you choose by your desired "From:" address, and it goes through the associated SMTP server: 
E-mail addresses and associated SMTP servers.
You can change which SMTP server will be used in the account settings menu: 
Server Options menu.
Note that the "Outgoing Server (SMTP):" is a hot button. Click on it to change which server is used by T-Bird. This is my last stinking damned edit! I should just quit and play some Bioshock: Infinite. How I actually configured Thunderbird to send "from" 'PacBell' through 'Gmail': 
Configuring Thunderbird to send AT&T through Gmail.
And here are the headers: x-store-info:7YsnRco0gQJ3EyekdHv0zgpxljZUE8IwoYF3VwYK/Ma4GZEWq0BVzXW657YMWgsf/
E7CJQpdtIP2TNv3q6dDcsyRcpFWmP40TYMdOQQ4OJe6ZZJS5wXQucYjVVxusm4wRA8HaOL1EOo=
Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is 209.85.220.42)
smtp.mailfrom=********@gmail.com; dkim=none header.d=pacbell.net;
x-hmca=none header.id=********@pacbell.net
X-SID-PRA: ********@pacbell.net
X-AUTH-Result: NONE
X-SID-Result: NONE
X-Message-Status: n:n
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MTtHRD0yO1NDTD0w
X-Message-Info: gamVN+8Ez8UZTCe45FOKWTH9OwGBKqeOiGfXY2et1ClPC5Tn8TPnfCQHKVi539S5m7OHe0kyTbcvaXUw6
sQImGM1ASDplTy9DBKGGFK7K1Yefl2rIn4ferVmeGsNxdpGNuqpwVdRpHgvf2093QvDEEzlFkcgmM1E0va dqsaGvrI=
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First server touched: "mx.google.com". Last server touched: "SNT0-MC4-F11.Snt0.hotmail.com". No Yahoo! servers involvrd. All of the attempts at cleaning PII, and formatting is frustrating me; delayed me past NetFixer  's post. And Dvorak is calling me home "From the New World" (Symphony #9 in E-minor, I believe). |
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Ah, you are EXACTLY right. But I was looking at your detailed instructions and saying "but, but, ... I did that!". Then I realized that I was suffering from user failure. I entered stmp.gmail.com as the outgoing server, and selected it as default, BUT I NEVER TOLD IT TO ACTUALLY USE THAT SERVER. I was assuming that just setting it as "default" made it the one being used. But that's not the case, of course. (I don't change outgoing servers regularly, you see.)
Now that I've done it right, it works as I had originally hoped it would. Thank you thank you thank you!
I am delighted to say again -- so long, outbound.att.net! I'd like to believe that Yahoo get's it's act together, but in the meantime ... |
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Did your problem resolve yesterday like mine? |
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I can't say. I was too busy trying to get myself separated from Yahoo!. In fact, it takes some time to verify that it's working, because my e-mails may not bounce for an hour or more. I'm actually not anxious to return to Yahoo! routing. Evidently this happens every year or two. See » www.networkworld.com/com ··· -servers |
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Thanks, this is the first time I have had this issue. I routinely get the password verification issue!
I don't care to support Google! |
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I hear ya. But as long as I'm not sending them money, I have few issues. Of course, they're probably data mining my e-mails that they wouldn't otherwise have had. I do have other outgoing server options, and so I might use those instead. It is a real shame that AT&T contracts with an organization that is so ineffective against spam. In the NetworkWorld piece by Larry Chaffin I sent, he curiously blames spamcop for the blacklisting of Yahoo!. That's nuts. All spamcop is doing is identifying servers of spam abuse. They aren't blocking anything. It's the folks who blindly use the spamcop blacklists who are more guilty. But the main fault is at Yahoo!. |
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said by Dick Lasswel:I do have other outgoing server options, and so I might use those instead. It is a real shame that AT&T contracts with an organization that is so ineffective against spam.
There aren't a lot of free options; AOL, Gmail, outlook.com (Hotmail). Fastmail is free for IMAP, but you have to pay for POP3 and SMTP. Some other free web mail services also charge fees for POP3 and SMTP. I do have my ISP servers, and their connection log retention is just two weeks: x-store-info:8Rlnjmxvy6L6cXs23gz/9HW3P3dIQ3IMJFkGV/UntN6IiSWUzPA5l6yASL6AMc5XU9JDa0
SegdvDnX78s5T+MbuvpHGp7bC2Xqu0rTXV9XMjFRuKPH2OdGkeRgiXTIoquZ9WmVC9bYU=
Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=none (sender IP is 64.142.16.245)
smtp.mailfrom=********@pacbell.net; dkim=none header.d=pacbell.net;
x-hmca=none header.id=********@pacbell.net
X-SID-PRA: ********@pacbell.net
X-AUTH-Result: NONE
X-SID-Result: NONE
X-Message-Status: n:n
X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTE7YT0wO0Q9MTtHRD0yO1NDTD0w
X-Message-Info: aKlYzGSc+LkUTgn/NDb6wKUDu+dGZ/rp7zkiB1T2nD0JzP6QSeOl/9jjUzho3HmkfIh0G+
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