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FFH
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reply to Mojo 77

Re: Pure speculation.

said by Mojo 77 :

Oh FFS. Only this website would have boobs come out defending AT&T for abusing a system used to help the elderly and hard of hearing.

IP Relay has been abused for decades. As the article notes, you should be able to do the math at $1.50 per minute subsidies with a decade or two of abuse, when 80-90% of all IP relay traffic is fraud. Do the math.

It isn't defending AT&T to question the amount of fraud minutes claimed by Karl. Until he can find stats showing how many IP Relay minutes were used and how much was fradulent, the total amount of loss is speculation.
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Mojo 77

@184.105.146.x

What I really like is there's a huge article here clearly outlining proven fraud perpetrated against a service that's intended to help the elderly and hard of hearing, and you and barney here's only comment is that you think it's outrageous to speculate that we could be talking billions of dollars in fraud.

The DOJ lawsuit alleges tens of millions, the FCC alleges unspecified millions. Neither did an audit because they're weak-kneed weasels and AT&T would fight them for years in court. The DOJ estimated that 95 percent of AT&T's IP Relay call volume was fraudulent foreign callers. The article speculates that it could top out in the billions, and with a decade of use I'd tend to agree that's a very real possibility over 10-15 years of abuse.

You guys are either trolls or obtuse.



OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

1 recommendation

How much of that "foreign" traffic was US prankers using intl VPN's



ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL

none most likely.



cork1958
Cork
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join:2000-02-26

1 recommendation

reply to FFH

said by FFH:

said by Mojo 77 :

Oh FFS. Only this website would have boobs come out defending AT&T for abusing a system used to help the elderly and hard of hearing.

IP Relay has been abused for decades. As the article notes, you should be able to do the math at $1.50 per minute subsidies with a decade or two of abuse, when 80-90% of all IP relay traffic is fraud. Do the math.

It isn't defending AT&T to question the amount of fraud minutes claimed by Karl. Until he can find stats showing how many IP Relay minutes were used and how much was fradulent, the total amount of loss is speculation.

Yeah,
I love stats to but I'm not such a blind nit wit that I can't see that no matter what the actual stats may be, we all know how true this is and the fact the FCC did absolutely nothing about it just proves that office needs to be eliminated! Just as AT&T and Verizon, just to mention a couple, need to be also!
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