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rudeboy24
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Welland, ON

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[Anveo] Planing to switch from voip.ms to Anveo.

Currently i have a FreePBX/Asterisk Server setup with a SIP trunk to voip.ms with 8 extensions and 5 numbers.

I looking at switching because the numbers at anveo are cheaper.

so my question is would this work on the "FREE Plan" with anveo?
or would i need to get a higher plan?

Trimline
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join:2004-10-24
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On a side note, I'm not sure that Anveo has outbound CNAM. This may make a difference for you.

If they have it now, someone can confirm.
rudeboy24
join:2002-10-14
Welland, ON

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i see an option in the Anveo dashboard / Sip Access Details called "Outbound CallerID" witch has "From SIP Device"

Does that tell Anveo to use CallerID info from my PBX?

cybersaga
join:2011-12-19
Selby, ON

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If price is your only issue, you can PM MartinM. He said in a thread earlier this year (that I can't find now) that he'd match Anveo's prices on DID's for anyone whose deciding factor is price. Maybe someone else bookmarked that post.
said by rudeboy24:

i see an optiton in the Anveo dashboard / Sip Access Details called "Outbound CallerID" witch has "From SIP Device"

Does that tell Anveo to use CallerID info from my PBX?

Yes, that's just for the phone number used on caller ID. It'll use whatever phone number is specified in one of the P-ASSERTED-IDENTITY, P-PREFERRED-IDENTITY, or REMOTE-PARTY-ID SIP headers, as long as the phone number is either with Anveo, or in your 'Custom Caller ID Numbers'.

A couple people have said that outgoing CNAM (Canadian-style) is working now, but I tested by calling my Freephoneline account and no name showed up (when a name does show up for my cell phone). I'm not sure what needs to be done for that to work.
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said by cybersaga:

A couple people have said that outgoing CNAM (Canadian-style) is working now, but I tested by calling my Freephoneline account and no name showed up (when a name does show up for my cell phone). I'm not sure what needs to be done for that to work.

It works for me. I don't think it works for everybody yet, which is why it has not been announced yet.
rudeboy24
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i IMed MartinM 1week 5 days ago : 2013-05-01 06:54:45

he never responded to me, so i've started looking elsewhere.

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MartinM is out of the country at this time, We apologize for the delay. However please send me a PM and Ill take a look, thanks!
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said by rudeboy24:

i see an option in the Anveo dashboard / Sip Access Details called "Outbound CallerID" witch has "From SIP Device"

Does that tell Anveo to use CallerID info from my PBX?

Hello,

As mentionned by Peter, i'm on a business trip for VoIP.ms. Please allow 1-2 days for your DID number to be updated to the new price.

Regarding your "extensions" if they are sub accounts, no they won't work on their free plan. It's $1.50 per extra subaccount after 2, all free with us. Your number will show up as $2.00 within 24-48 hours thanks for your patience.

cybersaga
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Selby, ON

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said by MartinM:

Regarding your "extensions" if they are sub accounts, no they won't work on their free plan. It's $1.50 per extra subaccount after 2, all free with us. Your number will show up as $2.00 within 24-48 hours thanks for your patience.

I missed the bit about the extensions. But yeah, Anveo is bad for sub-accounts. It's worse than $1.50 per, at least if you only buy a few. The cost varies depending on how many sub-accounts you purchase.

If you login to your account, the costs are at the bottom of this page: »www.anveo.com/services.asp

For whatever reason, ordering 50 sub-accounts ($12.50/month) is cheaper than ordering 5 sub-accounts ($15/month). That might be a typo.
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said by MartinM:

...Regarding your "extensions" if they are sub accounts, no they won't work on their free plan. ...

MartinM is spreading misinformation. rudeboy24 has his own FreePBX/Asterisk box so he does not need to use Anveo sub-accounts.

By switching to Anveo one get great prices, high uptime, and a solid technology with more features and REAL Geo Redundancy with full and automatic failover. For example when voip.ms server has some issues rudeboy24 will not longer have to worry about "manually switching" voip.ms server from the portal and losing Voip.ms voicemail after switching to another voip.ms server.

All Anveo POPs are fully redundant which means that end users can be connected to one POP, route phone numbers though another POP, can switch back and forth between Anveo POPs at any time and all services will remain fully operational including Voicemail.

cybersaga
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said by anveo:

MartinM is spreading misinformation. rudeboy24 has his own FreePBX/Asterisk box so he does not need to use Anveo sub-accounts.

He wasn't spreading misinformation. He said:
said by MartinM:

...Regarding your "extensions" if they are sub accounts, no they won't work on their free plan. ...

Notice the word "if". It all depends on his setup if he needs the extra sub-accounts or not.

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Aside from price which appears to be a wash in light of the VoIP.ms price match offer, there are some important differences between VoIP.ms and Anveo Direct. First, VoIP.ms supports registered accounts both with SIP and IAX. In the Asterisk world, that means you don't have to expose SIP or IAX to potential attacks from the Internet by poking holes in your firewall to get calls. Second, VoIP.ms provides a free iNum DID with free, worldwide iNum calling unlike Anveo Direct. So there's more to consider than just price.

cybersaga
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I think he's talking about Anveo retail (anveo.com), not Anveo Direct (anveodirect.com).
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said by anveo:

MartinM is spreading misinformation.

No, he's not. Your free plan does in fact only come with two sub-accounts. I don't see any way to argue with that.

If you're going to continually point out your competitors' shortcomings, you have to expect they'll start doing the same. The other option is to assume the market is big enough for everyone and that you can conduct yourself professionally on the forums and still gain clients.
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said by Mango:

said by anveo:

MartinM is spreading misinformation.

No, he's not. Your free plan does in fact only come with two sub-accounts. I don't see any way to argue with that.

Perhaps there will be an announcement soon that you can have unlimited sub-accounts. VoIP.ms does it and so does Callcentric now. Competition is good.
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I thought that since the user is using a PBX then they are using Anveo Direct instead of Anveo Retail. Sub accounts are not used since it is all managed on the PBX.

AllThumbs
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Since when? With PBX in a Flash, we use subaccounts with VoIP.ms all the time as a simple method for pre-processing inbound calls and to assist with billing to separate entities.

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said by AllThumbs:

Since when? With PBX in a Flash, we use subaccounts with VoIP.ms all the time as a simple method for pre-processing inbound calls and to assist with billing to separate entities.

Not to mention it is great if you want different DID's on different POP's and/or protocols (sip/IAX).

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said by AllThumbs:

In the Asterisk world, that means you don't have to expose SIP or IAX to potential attacks from the Internet by poking holes in your firewall to get calls.

Meh. If you craft your firewall rules intelligently, the risk is nearly zero. See: »Re: [Asterisk] Changing default SIP Port
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said by anveo:For example when voip.ms server has some issues rudeboy24 will not longer have to worry about "manually switching" voip.ms server from the portal and losing Voip.ms voicemail after switching to another voip.ms server.

That's not even true. I used Anveo a year or so ago and was fine for a week, then you guys got some big DDoS attack and none of our phones worked. 15 minutes later still nothing, couldn't even access Anveo.com, and you were posting on here saying there was an attack. We were down for almost 4 hours which is why we left. Anveo def admitted they were under a DDoS attack and were adamant they were only down for 30 minutes or something (I forget the actual amount of time) but for us was longer. But regardless even if it's 30 minutes, our phones didn't work for at least that long, so I fail to see how you have any type of redundancy as if you did then our calls would have switched to another server that wasn't being attacked. The fact one of your data centres was being attacked affecting calls, as well as your website pretty much goes against everything you're saying about your redundancy. I'm not in love with voip.ms as if one of their servers is down then no inbound calls work, but at least you can switch to another server manually to make outbound calls.


cybersaga
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said by connor79:

at least you can switch to another server manually to make outbound calls.

Well, you can with Anveo too. They have three servers:
sip.anveo.com:5010 (USA)
sip.ca.anveo.com:5010 (CANADA)
sip.de.anveo.com:5010 (GERMANY)
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Well when it happened to me you couldn't even access anveo.com it was loading like dial up just the logo would load then page time out. So unless I had those written down somewhere I wouldn't know them. My point is they are saying above that they are better than voip.ms because it automatically changed which never happened for us.

cybersaga
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said by connor79:

My point is they are saying above that they are better than voip.ms because it automatically changed which never happened for us.

Fair enough.
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said by connor79:

...So unless I had those written down somewhere I wouldn't know them..

Anveo supports DNS_SRV and if your SIP device supports it too and configured to use DNS_SRV option then you do not have to remember Anveo POPs and your SIP device will do the failover for you.

Here is an example how to configure Linksys to use DNS_SRV
»Anveo 2012 Config with DNS SRV

cybersaga
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DNS SRV support is relatively new though, no? Like, within the last year? So it'll help now, for sure, but that may explain why it didn't help connor when he had his trouble.

Some of the sample configurations still say to set DNS SRV to 'No', like the Grandstream and Cisco ones. Maybe others.
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DNS_SRV was implemented on 2012-01-01
and I know the date thanks to this thread »[anveo]DNS SRV records mapping to a more than 1 proxy server
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Oh cool so you are saying that if we have a phone that supports it, and we enable this DNS_SRV, then if say the Canadian server was under some DDoS attack, our phones automatically route calls to a US server? Just two questions on that then:

1) How does our basic IP phone know that's the case? Like even anveo.com would load a bit just incredibly slow. From what I remember we could still make the odd outbound call, it just would take like 30+ seconds before it would even connect and most times fail. What constitutes an outage that would cause it to know to use the other server?

2) How about inbound DIDs? I know with voip.ms you have to set your DID to go to say chicago.voip.ms and then your phone registered to that. I can't remember if Anveo is the same. So if I'm registered to the Canadian Anveo server, and my DIDs route to there and there is an outage where my phone uses the US server then with this DNS_SRV feature, does that mean inbound DIDs automatically route there as well?

Quick edit: This had me considering Anveo again but I just can't handle all the spelling mistakes on the website or in call flows. Like if you're a company running other businesses phone services, how can you have so many typos? I don't even have to look far to find them.

- Under the conference object, it has "Join as the conference Leader and Loin as the conference participant" Loin?

- This little tidbit under Users: Users can be nested so it is possible to create users according to the business hierarchy.
For example Main Account -> Department Head(s) -> Department Emplyee(s) - Employee is spelled wrong.

- Hovering over the "Answer" call control for help says "Answer: Call control will aswer a call."

Those are just 3 I found in a few minutes from looking quickly. I just find it hard to put my trust in a company for my business phones with spelling mistakes. It's like someone applying to work for me with a typo on their resume!

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said by connor79:

How does our basic IP phone know that's the case?

If your IP phone supports DNS SRV, then when it does the DNS lookup on sip.anveo.com, it actually looks for the SRV record of _sip._udp.sip.anveo.com. This is what the SRV record looks like:
_sip._udp.sip.anveo.com SRV service location:
          priority       = 10
          weight         = 100
          port           = 5010
          svr hostname   = sip.anveo.com
_sip._udp.sip.anveo.com SRV service location:
          priority       = 20
          weight         = 100
          port           = 5010
          svr hostname   = sip.ca.anveo.com
 
You'll notice two entries. If it can't connect to the first, it just goes on to the next. It also has the port, so you don't actually need to specify the port in your IP phone if it supports DNS SRV.

I'll let Mr. Anveo answer the rest.

A little while ago I remember MartinM saying they're working on the voicemail following you when you switch servers. Maybe that'll let them implement DNS SRV too.
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If I use Anveo as a SIP trunk provider connected to Asterisk for example, (which I think I can do?) is this still supported? Like does Asterisk/FreePBX support DNS_SRV to do the same thing?