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Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

Pulling a 180

“You will see others doing this because the demand for really high-speed broadband via gigabit-type fiber-based solutions on a targeted basis is going to be very, very high....The key is being able to do it in places where you know there is going to be high demand and people willing to pay the premium for those type services."

Wasn't it a few years (or more) ago that they said there was no demand at all for ultra-fast connections and people didn't really need >100mbps (or was it much less) speeds?

I guess we're finally seeing how full of sh*t they really are and their true interests finally coming out.
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InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5

1 recommendation

said by Simba7:

Wasn't it a few years (or more) ago that they said there was no demand at all for ultra-fast connections and people didn't really need >100mbps (or was it much less) speeds?

Want /= Need

Most people still do not *need* anywhere near that much speed but that does not stop them from *wanting* it.

I only *need* ~6Mbps to do everything I like doing on a regular basis but on the rare occasions where I would like a large downloads done quickly, I would *want* 1Gbps but this happens nowhere near often enough (maybe 4-5 times a year) to justify paying significantly more for it even if I could have it - at least not for me since it would likely cost at least $50/month more than what I currently have.


fatpipe

join:2011-10-02
Austin, TX

said by InvalidError See Profile
Most people still do not *need* anywhere near that much speed but that does not stop them from *wanting* it.

Kindly do not tell me what I need in terms of bandwidth. If you are satisfied with your pipe by all means have at it.

If I want the fatter pipe that Google Fiber will offer, then I should be able to acquire it. I do not have to justify my actions to you or anyone else, nor do I have to subscribe to your arguments.

I state again, when it comes to one's own data pipe, live and let live already!

Kearnstd
Space Elf
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to Simba7
They should want to provide gigabit, Any ISP with caps and overages should. That way people can have multiple HD netflix streams going and cause overage fees which are pure profits.
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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

3 recommendations

reply to fatpipe
said by fatpipe:

Kindly do not tell me what I need in terms of bandwidth. If you are satisfied with your pipe by all means have at it.

If I want the fatter pipe that Google Fiber will offer, then I should be able to acquire it. I do not have to justify my actions to you or anyone else, nor do I have to subscribe to your arguments.

Yes, indeed, you should, providing you're willing to pay the market rate that induces Google, AT&T, or an overbuilder to take the risk and provide it.

Meanwhile, kindly, do not tell me what size pipe you "need" and expect the taxpayers to subsidize it in any form.

steevo22

join:2002-10-17
Fullerton, CA
reply to fatpipe
Pipe? Isn't it a series of tubes? I am sure you must mean tubes, right?

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to Simba7
Everyone knows that needs/wants will increase over time. I still argue about the need/want of 1 Gbps service now, beyond the marketing buzz that Google created.

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2

1 recommendation

reply to fatpipe
said by fatpipe:

do not tell me what I need

....

If I want

You just conflated need and want, which is eactly what InvalidError See Profile was questioning.


cork1958
Cork
Premium
join:2000-02-26
reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:

said by Simba7:

Wasn't it a few years (or more) ago that they said there was no demand at all for ultra-fast connections and people didn't really need >100mbps (or was it much less) speeds?

Want /= Need

Most people still do not *need* anywhere near that much speed but that does not stop them from *wanting* it.

I only *need* ~6Mbps to do everything I like doing on a regular basis but on the rare occasions where I would like a large downloads done quickly, I would *want* 1Gbps but this happens nowhere near often enough (maybe 4-5 times a year) to justify paying significantly more for it even if I could have it - at least not for me since it would likely cost at least $50/month more than what I currently have.

Not only do most people NOT *need* that speed, but most sites don't even serve up stuff anywhere near that fast, so paying for 1Gbps is basically a total waste and about as close to asinine as you can get, period and if anyone and their kids are setting in front of a computer all day long watching Netflix or playing games, how about trying this. Go outside and kick a ball once in a while, as I've been told before! Luckily for me, I do EXACTLY that every day!
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Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
said by cork1958:

Not only do most people NOT *need* that speed, but most sites don't even serve up stuff anywhere near that fast, so paying for 1Gbps is basically a total waste and about as close to asinine as you can get, period and if anyone and their kids are setting in front of a computer all day long watching Netflix or playing games, how about trying this. Go outside and kick a ball once in a while, as I've been told before! Luckily for me, I do EXACTLY that every day!

Um.. Not all of us stare at the TV or monitor for hours (or days). Some of us can actually utilize at least 1/10 of a GigE connection (video conferencing, VPN, VoIP, streaming services, etc). Heck, I'd love to link my relatives together with 100mbps (at least) and share pictures and home movies with the grandparents instead of being worried of the obnoxious TOS some sites have.
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coach47

join:2004-09-02
East Dublin, GA
reply to steevo22
Thanx for the levity Steevo!


Erick1585

@rcn.com
reply to InvalidError
People do not want faster internet at AT&T price, a company that gives as little and charge as much as they can get away with, investing as little as possible for a quick fast cash. Over pricing is their model.

Viper1873

join:2010-02-07
reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:

Want /= Need

Most people still do not *need* anywhere near that much speed but that does not stop them from *wanting* it.

I only *need* ~6Mbps to do everything I like doing on a regular basis but on the rare occasions where I would like a large downloads done quickly

I spent like 10 years stuck on dialup while everyone I knew had broadband because I live out in rural PA in an area that's about half Amish. The Verizon hub/whatever building is literally on my property and I couldn't get DSL until 2010. They finally made it available, it's only 3mbps/768k. That's not good enough for playing Xbox. Matches get laggy/unplayable if anyone else in the house so much as checks their goddamn email. If my mother is messing on Youtube, it totally ruins gaming, and I game all day long. I NEED better internet with low latency. I shouldn't have to sell a 150 acre farm and move to the city to get it. I'm also painfully single, so I need fast speeds to download porn. LOL


batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
reply to Simba7
said by Simba7:

Wasn't it a few years (or more) ago that they said there was no demand at all for ultra-fast connections and people didn't really need >100mbps (or was it much less) speeds?

Oh yes, they are all brain surgeons who want to do robotic surgery form their cabins.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·MegaPath
reply to Simba7
And yet you still won't achieve that speed on most networks to the backbone. You're windows updates aren't going to speed up. Your downloads from iTunes won't improve nor will the speed of your torrents improve due to the other side of the connection being slower.

And nothing is stopping you from creating your own network. You can create that same private network you're talking about carriers support that and do each and every day without a TOS that stops you.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to Viper1873
If you NEED to play games all day, it sounds like you NEED a life outside of the house.


whiteshp

join:2002-03-05
Xenia, OH
reply to cork1958
Nobody will EVER need that speed! That like people with horses saying no one would ever need cars when the first Fords cars rolled off the line. If 1Gbps was standard speed we would see a revolution of new services. Cloud full backups of home computers, cross country family and business VPNs, HD video streams, large games/software run installed from online drives you don't have to install. The market is already knocking at the door but Telco, Cable, and you keep saying nobody would EVER use it. You and grandma can kick the ball and pick flowers in the yard. The rest of the country would love to see new network services possible to a USA that doesn't revolve around keeping everything and everyone in line with a 1970s aged and abused grid.
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dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to InvalidError
It still doesn't mean one can simply overprice a service for one's needs.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·ITalkBB
reply to Erick1585
What people need and want, is a affordable, decent high speed internet for dirt cheap prices.

10 Mbps down/up for $10 a month for instance. Dirt. Cheap. Prices.

Not 1 Mbps stuff for $15~20 a month.

Upstream is especially costly, whilst people don't seem to 'need' it, having a larger upstream helps offset the downstream so you have a more stable internet.

A downstream that is very high, with a super tight upstream, results in packet latency issues, like you recieve data sooner, but the server won't respond for quite a while.

In video games, upstream of under 1Mbps may not seem to impact some games, but wait until streaming technology are used, then you'll notice.

You'll also start using up a bit more upstream the moment you run additional applications and programs that utilizes VOIP and Video.

Since more and more people are turning to VOIP based phone services, upstreams is extremely vital to have those services be functional 100% of the time... I have a 28/1 and my VoIP has issues simply because of limited upstream.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·ITalkBB
reply to Viper1873
Video gaming is a broadband use between 1Mbps down/up to 5Mbps down/up.

So when you stack VOIP, youtube, netflix, and such into a household, expect the bandwidth shared between computers to shrink.

Also, things like VoIP and Video streaming does not have limits set in them, they always try to grab as much bandwidth to function at the most optimal levels.

Bengie25

join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI
Reviews:
·Solarus
reply to elray
said by elray:

said by fatpipe:

Kindly do not tell me what I need in terms of bandwidth. If you are satisfied with your pipe by all means have at it.

If I want the fatter pipe that Google Fiber will offer, then I should be able to acquire it. I do not have to justify my actions to you or anyone else, nor do I have to subscribe to your arguments.

Yes, indeed, you should, providing you're willing to pay the market rate that induces Google, AT&T, or an overbuilder to take the risk and provide it.

Meanwhile, kindly, do not tell me what size pipe you "need" and expect the taxpayers to subsidize it in any form.

Kind of like how tax payers subsidize education and police? Investment into faster Internet is like investing into roads and rails. It benefits all more than its cost to call.


spenster

join:2001-04-03
Houston, TX
reply to TBBroadband
Well, yeah actually there is something stopping us from creating our own private network. I can't just start trenching across the city to lay my own cables because I don't have the same access to easements that utilities companies have.


batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
reply to Bengie25
said by Bengie25:

Kind of like how tax payers subsidize education and police? Investment into faster Internet is like investing into roads and rails. It benefits all more than its cost to call

You are not seriously comparing roads to broadband are you? If so those who use the roads for commerce pay way more in road use taxes than a recreational user. If Apple and M$ want to sell subscriptions to their crap let them build it. Google the evile one is doing just that.

You argument has been proven false. Verizon built it, FiOS, and they didn't come. Those who have 50/50 FiOS use it for fun and games. You must not pay taxes. Did you notice the US is a financial pinch?

You all drank the kool-aid poured by MCI and parroted by this supposed forum now Ma Bell is dead any yet the people cry.

All you Apple fan-boys; get them to pay the $25 billion they are hiding off shore and build an iTune pipe; of course it will be opened to all leeches and below cost.