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StuartMW
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reply to Cartel

Re: Yahoo to Users: Let Us Read Your Emails or -- Goodbye!

I guess email is considered to be "public" and therefore readable by anyone these days. The three-letter agencies read and monitor emails at will so why shouldn't providers?

There are smaller, and fee-based, providers that claim they don't scan emails. Remember there's no such thing as a free lunch--or free email.
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red2

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said by StuartMW:

I guess email is considered to be "public" and therefore readable by anyone these days. The three-letter agencies read and monitor emails at will so why shouldn't providers?

There are smaller, and fee-based, providers that claim they don't scan emails. Remember there's no such thing as a free lunch--or free email.

I've always hated that analogy. I think it's safer to say that one should consider the "possibility" of email being public and to therefore not use it to transmit what you consider confidential. But that does NOT by any means suggest that email should be deemed to be a public broadcast.

One can only hope those in three letter agencies who are reading emails are doing so for security reasons. I don't like it, don't think it is effective, but can understand why it is done.

We already pay for our lunch. Yahoo and others make plenty of money by having users in their network. They already deliver advertising to users.

Giving them additional permission to scan and analyze your emails would be akin to giving police officers on the street who stop you for speeding the right to strip search you. That goes way beyond what is necessary to prevent accidents. And in that regard, giving Yahoo the right to scan and analyze emails goes way beyond their needs to be able to deliver advertising.


Phoenix22
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reply to StuartMW
stuart..............
therez an old adage we use from way back when.........don't post anything on the net that you want to keep private.....period
we r talkin' 1995 here............
jd


StuartMW
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said by Phoenix22:

...don't post anything on the net that you want to keep private.....period

Yup. That's certainly been true since 9/11 when gummints everywhere decided they need to monitor everyone and everything (not just the internet).

As I've said before "Bob likes to watch--and listen".
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Blackbird
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said by StuartMW:

said by Phoenix22:

...don't post anything on the net that you want to keep private.....period

Yup. That's certainly been true since 9/11 when gummints everywhere decided they need to monitor everyone and everything (not just the internet).

As I've said before "Bob likes to watch--and listen".

Uhmm... actually, it's been true a lot longer than 9/11. Echelon started out as a Cold War intel tool back in the Johnson era, but quickly evolved into something a lot broader and more general as the perpetual governmental "desire to watch" began to get leverage from the explosion in digital technology. Ever since, it's been one ever-more comprehensive system after another - all watching and listening.
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La Luna
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said by Blackbird:

Uhmm... actually, it's been true a lot longer than 9/11. Echelon started out as a Cold War intel tool back in the Johnson era, but quickly evolved into something a lot broader and more general as the perpetual governmental "desire to watch" began to get leverage from the explosion in digital technology. Ever since, it's been one ever-more comprehensive system after another - all watching and listening.

Exactly. None of this is anything new, just what they're listening to is advancing to keep up with the changing technology. Echelon is well known.
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StuartMW
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reply to Blackbird
said by Blackbird :

Uhmm... actually, it's been true a lot longer than 9/11.

Sure but it's on steroids nowadays
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Zee5tH

join:2005-09-08
Hi:Just a quick question I have ATT Uverse which started when I had dsl with @sbcglobal.net is that a concern with yahoo format because they use a similar type e mail,but never got the e mail notices from them saying you have to change to the new format by june 1.Just want to make sure.Appreciate any help.Thanks.


nwrickert
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said by Zee5tH:

Hi:Just a quick question I have ATT Uverse which started when I had dsl with @sbcglobal.net is that a concern with yahoo format because they use a similar type e mail,but never got the e mail notices from them saying you have to change to the new format by june 1.Just want to make sure.Appreciate any help.Thanks.

I have uverse, but started with ameritech dsl.

Yes, I did receive mail that we would be required to update:
quote:
On or after June 10, 2013, through July 2013 all users of att.net Mail will be prompted to upgrade their att.net Mail accounts. You'll see some exciting changes in att.net webmail that include a new look and feel that makes att.net webmail even easier to use. Once your account is upgraded, the webmail version you're currently using will no longer be available.
I received that around May 15. I have only quoted one paragraph - about 1/3 of the message.

This is apparently the Yahoo "upgrade" being forced on ATT/Yahoo users.

I take the "June 10, 2013, through July 2013" to mean that this will be staged - users won't all be "upgraded" at the same time.
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Rocky67
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The "upgrade" was forced on me two or three weeks ago. Despite assurances in the notification email that no action was required on my part, I was locked out of my account when the change happened. When I called c/s to get the password reset, the rep I talked to hadn't even heard that the changes were happening.
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javaMan
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said by Rocky67:

. . .

When I called c/s to get the password reset, the rep I talked to hadn't even heard that the changes were happening.

That's about par for the course with them.
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jaykaykay
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reply to StuartMW
said by StuartMW:

Remember there's no such thing as a free lunch--or free email.

Or Private anything any more. Pandora's box is opened for all to see and cannot be slammed shut again.


StuartMW
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said by jaykaykay:

Pandora's box is opened for all to see and cannot be slammed shut again.

Yup. Plenty of similes for that.

You can't put Humpty (Dumpty) back together again.
You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.
You can't put the Genie back in the bottle (I thought they did that themselves).
etc etc.

We all (collectively but not necessarily individually) allowed it to happen. Some wanted it, others were indifferent (and a few opposed) but for the most part we got what we deserved.
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sivran
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reply to javaMan
said by javaMan:

said by Rocky67:

. . .

When I called c/s to get the password reset, the rep I talked to hadn't even heard that the changes were happening.

That's about par for the course with them.

Sadly, that's about par for the course for support departments everywhere, especially low level consumer-grade product support departments staffed by anyone who could tolerate the job.
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Think Outside the Fox.