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Re: [INTERNET] When Can We Expect Cogeco to Increase Upload Band You'll probably see higher upload speeds before they are advertised. If I've learned anything, its that Cogeco likes to quietly test speeds in the wild without actually publically saying anything...then after testing things "In the wild" and ensuring that they are good, then they tend to roll it out on a larger scale.
My main guess is probably a matter of something...
But coming back to the early 2000s...you definitely didn't have 1meg upload...those were the 3mbit download/384kbit upload days....at least from 2002-2005ish, before the Pro speeds came out and they had 640kbit upload. |
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said by maxboha:When does docsis 3.1 is coming ? Should that be able to handle symetrical connexion or at least a 0.75 up : 1 down ratio ? Does cogeco is thinking using docsis 3.1 when available ? DOCSIS 3.1 is radically different than earlier versions. It's not backwards compatible and spectrum used for DOCSIS 3.1 can't be shared with earlier versions and vice-versa like with 1.x, 2 and 3. Why they're calling it 3.1 rather than 4.0 or an entirely different name/numbering scheme all together is beyond me. I suppose it's because part of the spec requires a 3.1 modem to be able to work with a 3.0 network, but that doesn't mean it's anywhere near the same stuff. Either way, it'll be a bit before you see it.
What you will see is an interim step with 24 channel DOCSIS 3.0 in the not-too-distant future. 24 channel D3 should be good for 1.2GBit/s aggregate bandwidth per node.
It'll be interesting when they do deploy 3.1 though, because it's not like any previous version of DOCSIS out there. Using the same amount of RF spectrum for 3.1 as you would need for 24 channel 3.0 gets you into 10GPON territory as far as bandwidth is concerned. |
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| said by Gone:said by maxboha:When does docsis 3.1 is coming ? Should that be able to handle symetrical connexion or at least a 0.75 up : 1 down ratio ? Does cogeco is thinking using docsis 3.1 when available ? DOCSIS 3.1 is radically different than earlier versions. It's not backwards compatible Wrong. Docsis3.1 can coexist with previous versions without a problem. Just to get the full benefits all modems will have to be replaced, but since docsis 3 is such a bandwidth hog they will have to free up space probably by getting rid of all analog channels or deprecating docsis 1. |
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| said by Thereallyguy :Wrong. Docsis3.1 can coexist with previous versions without a problem. Coexistence is not the same thing as backwards compatibility. DOCSIS 3.0 is truly backwards compatible. A DOCSIS 1.x modem from the 1990s can still connect and function with a DOCSIS 3.0 CMTS and the forward channels that are configured on the node. DOCSIS 2.0 modems can do the same for the return path (most 2.0/3.0 return configurations will work with 1.x, but not all). There is no need to "depreciate" DOCSIS 1 to free up bandwidth - it's the same damn thing as 2 and 3!
The same is not the case with DOCSIS 3.1. Nothing except for a DOCSIS 3.1 modem can connect to the new DOCSIS 3.1 channel structure. DOCSIS 3.1 and DOCSIS 3.0 can co-exist, sure - by having a series of DOCSIS 3.1 and DOCSIS 3.0 channel spans operating simultaneously in separate chunks of spectrum on the same node, of course. Coexistence and simultaneous operation of those two technologies on the same node does not mean a DOCSIS 3.0 modem is going to be able to use those DOCSIS 3.1 channels. It won't. As a result, DOCSIS 3.1 is not backward compatible. |
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said by maxboha:When does docsis 3.1 is coming ? Should that be able to handle symetrical connexion or at least a 0.75 up : 1 down ratio ? Does cogeco is thinking using docsis 3.1 when available ?
To answer your question, docsis 3.1 silicon won't be available till 2014, the modems/cmts in 2015 then how ever long it takes cogeco to adopt the tech.
So probably won't see docsis 3.1 for 2-4 years. |
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said by Gone: Coexistence and simultaneous operation of those two technologies on the same node does not mean a DOCSIS 3.0 modem is going to be able to use those DOCSIS 3.1 channels. It won't. As a result, DOCSIS 3.1 is not backward compatible.
No. If a docsis 3 modem and a docsis 3.1 modem can work on the network at the same time using the same cmts, they are compatible.
The whole point of docsis 3.1 is to conserve spectrum bandwidth well increasing throughput, so of course it will use a different spectrum. Docsis3.1 modem/cmts availability won't be till 2015 and then cogeco has to adopt the tech, so it's at least 2-4 years away to answer maxboha's question. |
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| said by Thereallyguy :No. If a docsis 3 modem and a docsis 3.1 modem can work on the network at the same time using the same cmts, they are compatible. Bullshit. Being able to operate on the same network does not indicate backward compatibility. That's like saying digital cable is compatible with analog cable because they can both operate on the same network, even though an old analog TV has no freaking clue what it's seeing when it tunes to a channel with a QAM carrier. Just the same, a DOCSIS 3 modem won't have any clue what it's seeing on an RF block with 3.1.
If DOCSIS 3.1 could operate on the network using the same CMTS and the same spectrum as DOCSIS 3.0 - like all previous versions of DOCSIS can - then it would be backward compatible. But they can't. So they aren't. Again, as I said before, co-existence is not the same thing as backward compatibility. |
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| Why do you just ignore everything else and drone on about backwards compatibility?
It's like trying to communicate with a brick, nothing sinks in. |
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| said by Reallyguy :Why do you just ignore everything else and drone on about backwards compatibility? So you now acknowledge the fact that you incorrect in your claims that it is backward compatible?
I didn't ignore anything else. You are the one who continues to argue in error. I would love to discuss other aspects of DOCSIS 3.1 - I sort of touched on them when I made my initial comments - if you're willing to move past your error and acknowledge that it uses a completely different channel and modulation scheme that is completely incompatible with any prior version of DOCSIS. |
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| If you can take a break from all that droning on, I suggest you look up compatibility. Then look up backwards compatibility to realize they are two different terms with two different meanings. |
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| said by Reallyguy :If you can take a break from all that droning on, I suggest you look up compatibility. Then look up backwards compatibility to realize they are two different terms with two different meanings. said by Gone:
DOCSIS 3.1 is radically different than earlier versions. It's not backwards compatible and spectrum used for DOCSIS 3.1 can't be shared with earlier versions and vice-versa like with 1.x, 2 and 3.
... and perhaps if you took a moment to actually read what has been written instead of immediately getting getting upset and making snarky comments, you would have seen that I specifically said backwards compatible from the get go.
Not that it matters. DOCSIS 3.1 is inherently incompatible with previous versions of DOCSIS, despite its ability to co-exist. Your refusal to read or understand the usage of words in the English language doesn't change that. It is neither forward nor backward compatible, though it will present the illusion of compatibility due to all DOCSIS 3.1 PHYs containing support for DOCSIS 3.0 despite previous versions being completely different. |
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said by Reno_William:If I recall correctly, I had 1 Meg upload with Cogeco in early 2000's. I can't remember when we launched 1 Meg uploads, but I'm almost 99.99% sure it was in the later part of the 2000s.
To partially answer the question, we're constantly evaluating our speed offerings based on customer feedback. I will be sending a request on your behalf for higher upload speeds. In the meantime, I have no information to share on higher uploads.
As far as the rest of the thread, thought I was snooping the Broadband Tech forum again! |
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| Doesn't really matter how long it has been around. Offering greater upload speeds isn't a matter of technological advancement - it's not like Cogeco has to invest billions in R&D to make it happen. Bell has been offering 7 - 10meg uploads for a while. Rogers too, 10meg upload, and 4meg on lower packages.
This is about the political will to focus on customer value instead of shareholder value - something Cogeco has never been good at.
All you really needed to put in the suggestion box was "have a look around... and try and keep up".
Mike
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| Rogers hasn't been offering higher upload speeds for anywhere near as long as Bell. It's only been since the winter or so.
Most of Cogeco's territory has had little in the way of competition from Bell. They've been content to sit on their laurels so to speak. Now that Bell has deployed or is deploying FTTN deeper into their territory and more and more developments being wired straight up for fibre, Cogeco will be forced to respond with a more competitive offering. How well Cogeco responds is another matter entirely, but the recent move to eight forward channels and bonded 64QAM return channels means that a response of some sorts is most likely in the works. |
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Good news! We will begin rolling out 10 megabit upload speeds to DOCSIS 3 customers in specific systems beginning August 5th. If you are currently on a DOCSIS 3 tier, no action is required, the profiles will be updated automatically. |
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| That, sir, made my day! Hope Oakville is one of those systems. |
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Was going to post the same...
»links.contact3.cogeco.ca/mail/OB···00778697 |
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Was going to post the same...
»links.contact3.cogeco.ca/mail/OB···00778697 |
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| reply to micron06
I just got that email for the increase in speed in Hamilton. Good news for sure. |
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I just got the same email in Niagara Falls.
I guess that answers my earlier question: »broadbandreports.net/forum/r2843···Niagara-.  |
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GonePremium
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Are all the 2Mbit upload tiers being upgraded to 10? |
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The communication says "we'll be progressively increasing your upload speed from 2 Mbps to 10 Mbps".
Does that mean certain packages get 10, others get less?
Does it mean you'll try 4 first, then increase to 7, then to 10?
Does it mean 1 area at a time?
Mike
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Will Peterborough DOCSIS 3 customers be seeing an increase in upload speeds. I just wonder as I have not received one of those e-mails. |
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said by dillyhammer:Does that mean certain packages get 10, others get less? As I understand it, people who have received emails will see 10 mbps upload as of August 5th.
said by dillyhammer:Does it mean you'll try 4 first, then increase to 7, then to 10? I don't really have an answer for this, but I'll try to get one for you.
As I understand it. The people who received emails will see the increase first. We will expand it to further areas as we can, and future communication will inform the affected customers. |
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said by Reno_William:Will Peterborough DOCSIS 3 customers be seeing an increase in upload speeds. I just wonder as I have not received one of those e-mails.
As of right now, only specific systems will get the 10 mbps upgrade. We will expand the offering to other areas as we can and will inform our customers in those areas.
Stay tuned! |
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Progress!
Kudos to Cogeco for getting on this.
Can you make all channels a la carte now?
Mike
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boredguy
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St Catharines, ON | reply to Reno_William
Sooo price increase in October then? |
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ry4
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St Catharines, ON | That's been my expierence. No email yet however, so I guess I shouldn't have to worry. :-\ |
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GonePremium
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No email for one of the Turbo 20 accounts I watch in Fort Erie.
Of course, there will be no discount despite receiving lesser service than everyone else. Obviously.  |
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