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Re: Legendary Quest Line

Because non-raiders don't need it.

I can understand both view points regarding LFR separation from normal and heroic raids. I was part of progression raiding up until DS and could no longer balance family life and raiding so raiding went to the wayside of course. I occasionally run LFR just for something different outside of normal game play and do agree even though things have changed from the raiding norm and Blizz is trying to make everyone happy I guess some exclusivity has been sacrificed by those that enjoy progression raiding by having someone who can be a very causal player essentially reaching the same goal.

As already pointed out if there were restrictions given that affected normal raiders there would be complaints on that end as well. Previous legendaries before the introduction of heroic mode raiding were always drops from the last boss of the pinnacle raid for that tier. The reward or accomplishment level should be held at that standard for it to actually feel the entire process is legendary.

Do I agree or disagree with drops being available in LFR for the same legendary quest line progression raiders; I do but yes the percentage drop could be different in comparison to each level of raiding. If you want to compare old style legendary accomplishment with how everything has changed then technically with the addition of heroic raids then the legendary should only be accessible to those who are completing them within the current heroic tier and not available to LFR or normal for that matter. Blizzard would be in the same boat they were before with only a small percentage of the player base having access to that level or raiding or loot so it won't happen. Players will always feel they are entitled to more than they actually are or feel the need to have something over the next player.

Remember when you saw 1 or maybe 2 legendaries on your server and stand in awe of that player and guild....those days are gone and so is the "legendary" feel of it.

IMO blizz did the T14 part of it better

sure the gem is Legendary but to get the best weapon for it you'd need heroic.

I don't really like the idea of the T15 part where its a back item as there's not a way for a progression raider to have abetter ver of it.

They should put the 550 gems that are in the db into it and make it an item enhancement not an item
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For the same reason that LFR, Normal and Heroic have different iLvls.

Level of effort should affect level of reward.

exactly

easier something is, the more people that will have it, the less valuable it becomes.

My two cents:

* Drop rate should be higher for normal and heroic modes. As stated, level of effort should impact reward, and there is a legitimate "need" for the gear in the more difficult instances. Only makes sense that those doing those should get it first.

* Agreed it's not a Raiding questline anymore (right or wrong). Not even sure I'd classify it as legendary (although it is way OP and 5.4 will make it even moreso) since anyone can get it. It's not a raiding questline, it's not a pvp questline, it's not a professions questline, it's not a out in the world questline. It is all of them. I think it was Blizz's way to force people out of their silos and into the different areas of WoW. Hell I'm surprised they didn't throw in some pet battle requirements also.

Honestly, you can almost think of it in a way that there already exists "legendary" items for each silo. There may not be a specific questline tied to them, but to get that Tyrann set in PvP or to get that heroic tier set in raiding, it is all about effort. And the gear sets are unique to those people. Further, there are mounts and achieves and whatnot to farther differentiate the people's accomplishments. Speaking of which... Hellscream will have a 100% drop rate for a mount. I like that as it is another badge of accomplishment. I hope that the mounts are slightly different based on LFR/Flex/Norm/Her though.
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Absölution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 1/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 2/12 ToT

I agree Carpie; they have definitely put a lot of different aspects from the game into the questline thus far and made it more of a long personal journey to obtain the legendary reward as opposed to a guild effort pushing forward to help obtain something for one of their members.

while anyone can get the cape, only those who have already been working on it have a shot at completing it (unless they completely break the drop rates in 5.4) and getting good use out of it in MoP. I only have one "secret" on my main. My first alt is absolutely swimming in Sigils of Wisdom (23) but still has only 8 Sigils of Power. The second alt has 18 SoW and 4 SoP. These 2 toons will not see a cloak in MoP unless something truly drastic happens with the drop rates in 5.4... and I just do believe that such a thing will happen.

So, really... lets drop this whole Legendary to casuals crap. Casuals weren't grinding it out. The desire to be a raider had to have played a role at least. The real "issue" with the not-so-legendary-anymore is that there isn't anything distinguishing the heroic raider from the normal raider wrt the legendary item. If the heroic raider could at least get theirs faster than a normal raider... that would be a fair separation.
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Intelligence is no substitute for Character.

They're not raiders (at least, not 95% of them). They are participants. I did LFR #4 last night, and had a tank that had never even seen the fight, let alone tank it. Did he do any research (or hell, even ask) about the fight? Nope, he's good to go. Pulls Lei Shen, and tanks him almost dead center in the room until we died.

No raider would ever pull that, yet every time, there is half the raid that don't know Durumu's maze, think standing in Ji Kun's green puddles gives a buff, etc. It's never 2 or 3.... it's always half the raid that is dead before 50% and the 10 raiders that are there to valor or runestones have to carry the luggage to the kill.

I had the same thing on Last Stand last night. The other tank didn't run right into the trash, but was the one to pull them. There weren't any indications to say he was new, in fact I felt pretty comfortable that he knew what he was doing. Until I got hit with static wound and it just continued to stay and I watched the arcs of lightning splay out across the raid.

Once I asked if he knew he was supposed to taunt that off and he responded no, it was his first time there, I knew what I was in for. I explained the rest of the fights to him beforehand and politely suggested that maybe he say something upfront next time
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Absölution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 1/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 2/12 ToT

no, being an LFR commando is not the same as being a raider. However, if LFR is the only thing a raider can do (for lack of a guild, poor server population, odd work schedules) then said raider is using LFR to prepare him/her for when raiding might be possible. But you really have to grind LFR to progress in the less-than-legendary questline... because the drop rates are crap.

I have a bigger objection to PVP being part of the questline than I do to LFR having a (warped) chance at drops.
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Intelligence is no substitute for Character.

Immer you hit the nail on the head; even though the questline is available to everyone from heroic on down to LFR folks the level of participation to obtain the goal will differ just from that persons normal time allotted to play WoW.

The casual player that sticks to LFR normally doesn't run every single wing and boss each week or valor cap because they don't have the time. Obviously progression raiders normal or heroic are grinding out those instances 3 days or more a week and meeting those goals much faster than those that aren't which means they get the reward much faster regardless of availability and there is the separation.

I play maybe 2 or 3 days a week for only an hour or 2; only playing a main because it's all I have time for. I just received my cloak last week where as the progression raiders of my guild have had them 3-4 weeks prior to that.

For me personally I am just enjoying the ride and storyline of getting there, I could care less who has it before me or after me. I don't have much time to play the game so I concentrate on what makes it fun for me when I can play.

that was both technically correct and wholly inconsequential.
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Intelligence is no substitute for Character.

Have you guys done the celestial blessing quest. That fight is pretty challenging esspecially at low gear - I'd say around green fire level with more unforgiving rng. I doubt any LFR Heros who die to eye beams will be getting the cloak anytime soon.

Is that the quest after the titan runestones are complete? Because I WON'T BE GETTING THERE FOR 3 MORE WEEKS BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE 9 AND NO ONE BUT F$%^ING LEI SHEN DROPS A MOTHER F%$#ING RUNESTONE EVER!

QB I wish you'd quit holding your feelings in. It's not healthy. You need to vent and get things off your chest a little bit.
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Absölution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 1/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 2/12 ToT

If I were blizz what I would have done is something like FL's delegation

let it be done in LFR but limit it to only one could really do it per boss kill, and if the boss died early then gotta try again.

Like on Lord Ryolith (spelling) if that were LFR when you were doing the delegation quest you'd have to ether have your guild backing you or be lucky.

Or maybe give the quest person a switch that would make it harder, like add a boss ability that if the raid doesn't want to do it might just wipe and kick.

If it were me then instead of just looting an item off the Sha at the end of TOES you'd have to do a few extra things, like have druids of the flame spawn from the little tree on the dragon fight, or a switch that would make lie she a fire ele instead of a water.

Then the moment you hit that switch 24 people that just want an easy kill become unhappy, or you have a guild group in there that support it.
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It would be attainable either way. The people would only need to to raid like the others to attain it. As character progression is a strong psychological motivator, raiding is the path to get it.

If they choose not to raid, due to schedule, interests, personal beliefs, adversity to socializing, whatever, it's not that they can't attain it, it is just that they choose not to.
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Absölution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 1/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 2/12 ToT

the only way LFR is a guaranteed success is when at least 10 people take it seriously enough to make the win happen. The fact that LFR has a chance at progressing the less-than-legendary questline keeps the Raiders making appearances.

In the future, I would like to see more of this expansion-long quest chains... I would rather they not get the orange titles. I would rather they get the funky patch-specific titles like "Sha-touched" and "Thunderforged" and stay purple. I'd like the "orange" Legendaries to go back to "Fangs of the Father" & "Tyracgosa" pathways. I'd like for portions of those lines to have a diminished chance at being completed in LFR (if it still exists) so that LFR isn't just the blind leading the blind.

I still want Tier bonuses either scaling with LFR/Norm/Heroic or just not existing in LFR gear. If Flex raiding is a big hit, let the Flex raid get normal quality bonuses.
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Intelligence is no substitute for Character.

What was wrong with epic gems in Cata? I liked how that system worked...