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antdude
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Can Your Car Be Hacked?

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature from »www.linuxsecurity.com/co ··· w/159637 ...

Almost two years old, but still a good read. I wonder how we can keep them updated and secured unlike computers.

Kilroy
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join:2002-11-21
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If it is a later model, YES. Unfortunately these systems are not designed with security in mind. If security is engineered in, it is not by a security expert.

jaykaykay
4 Ever Young
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The only sure way is not to buy one!

StuartMW
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Yup. If it has a GPS with a cellular connection (Onstar etc) or any kind of automatic driver override(s), such as auto-braking, auto-lane control or whatever, I won't even consider it.

I Robot was science fiction but I agree with the general idea.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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There's suspicions that Report Micheal Hasting's 2013 Mercedes C250 coupe may have been hacked and that he was murdered.
Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL

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I'll go on the limb and say; anything with a computer in it can be hacked, remotely or directly.

Buddel
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Don't know, I don't have a car.
dave
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not in ohio

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said by Stumbles:

I'll go on the limb and say; anything with a computer in it can be hacked, remotely or directly.

OK, let's see you hack my house thermostat remotely.

(It is surely microprocessor based, since that's the cheapest way to build something like that, but has no network connection of any kind; the only wire coming out of it is connected to the oil burner control unit).

siljaline
I'm lovin' that double wide
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Montreal, QC

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Live to ride
TheMG
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Canada
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said by dave:

said by Stumbles:

I'll go on the limb and say; anything with a computer in it can be hacked, remotely or directly.

OK, let's see you hack my house thermostat remotely.

(It is surely microprocessor based, since that's the cheapest way to build something like that, but has no network connection of any kind; the only wire coming out of it is connected to the oil burner control unit).

Many devices that do not have any form of network/wireless connectivity can in fact be modified directly with physical access to the device (more specifically, the internal circuitry). For instance, many devices using microprocessors have a JTAG header on the circuit board that will allow the firmware to be modified using the right hardware interface and software.

While the threat of an attack requiring physical access to the device is nearly non-existent for most such devices, dave's point is mostly correct.

Mostly, only because the design of some devices makes it absolutely impossible to modify the firmware. Your thermostat may fall into this category, since many cheap programmable thermostats use a custom one-chip solution, then again, it might not (can't know until you open it up and see what hardware is inside).

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Too funny!
Nanaki (banned)
aka novaflare. pull punches? Na
join:2002-01-24
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said by antdude:

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature from »www.linuxsecurity.com/co ··· w/159637 ...

Almost two years old, but still a good read. I wonder how we can keep them updated and secured unlike computers.

Heh you see the latest home automation being pushed on commercials. You can loc and unlock your doors turn up the heat or ac turn any thing connected to it on or off from the web. its called vivint or somesuch forget exact name was just on a couple times i saw so far. scary stuff imo.

Phoenix22
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true........why would you......if you can hack it;=))
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said by antdude:

»www.caranddriver.com/fea ··· -feature from »www.linuxsecurity.com/co ··· w/159637 ...

Almost two years old, but still a good read. I wonder how we can keep them updated and secured unlike computers.

actually i use a hack back feature...........it involves.....some software and co-operation w/ onstar........granted the car is an 05'
..i can drop you within 50 yards........automatically.
Mele20
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said by Nanaki:

Heh you see the latest home automation being pushed on commercials. You can loc and unlock your doors turn up the heat or ac turn any thing connected to it on or off from the web. its called vivint or somesuch forget exact name was just on a couple times i saw so far. scary stuff imo.

My cable provider calls it Intelligent Home.

»www.oceanic.com/products ··· genthome

Rocky67
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said by Mele20:

My cable provider calls it Intelligent Home.

There is no intelligence in my home. No, wait...

StuartMW
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quote:
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth

Galaxy Song - Monty Python

Velnias
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No.
I use layered approach:

- bought expensive and well rated antivirus with updates every 5 minutes
- regularly check for car maker email alerts
- never drive in dangerous places e.g. out of my garage

Someone suggested to disconnect car battery when not using - still in my plans... You know - security is a process.