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Davesnothere
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Re: Yahoo to Users: Let Us Read Your Emails or -- Goodbye!

said by Davesnothere:

said by Mele20:

....Using the word or the phrase "computer ignorant" has nothing to do with ego.

In regards to Facebook, it has to do with folks willingly, and even eagerly, giving up what brave men and women have died for ....liberty and freedom which REQUIRE privacy - which Facebookers don't have.

So, if you want to say I need to have my ego checked, I think you need to decide if dying for this nation matters anymore. If it does matter you will run fast away from Facebook and any entity trying to take your freedom, your liberty, and your privacy from you.

Egos aside, I agree with the point which I bolded.

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said by Davesnothere:

Egos aside, I agree with the point which I bolded.

I've previously stated and will state once again: I personally have absolutely no use whatsoever for the applications commonly considered to be under the banner of "social media" such as Facebook, Twitter and the like.

However: Since you also appear to be in agreement with the original poster's ridiculously dramatic and quite inappropriate comments accusing Facebook users of desecrating the memories of those who died in uniform, then perhaps you'd like to say that directly to those presently on active duty for this country who for better or worse have utilized Facebook.

Start at the recruit depots as I'm sure they'd just eat up a one hour block of instruction covering that important subject in between minor things like physical training, snapping in weapons and field training exercises.

 
I'm not by any means criticizing certain folks' reasons for CHOOSING to participate in social media networks, as those who do it with a specific purpose in mind at least HAVE a reason, and therefore they are NOT part of the majority of so-called 'sheeple' to which I (at least) have referred in earlier posts, who make up the bulk of FB etc users.

The common ground in my agreeing with the statement which I quoted and bolded just above was that there ARE folks such as our armed forces, who defend our countries' citizens' rights for "liberty, freedom, and privacy", and yet so very many FaceBook (etc) users use it blindly, and have no idea that they are sacrificing some of those same treasured rights.

I was not necessarily agreeing with other statements made by that poster.

Social media is still a new thing, for the military as well as for everyone else, and we ALL need to seek more info, to learn about its risks as well as its perceived benefits.
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said by Davesnothere:

I'm not by any means criticizing certain folks' reasons for CHOOSING to participate in social media networks, as those who do it with a specific purpose in mind at least HAVE a reason, and therefore they are NOT part of the majority of so-called 'sheeple' to which I (at least) have referred in earlier posts.

The common ground in my agreeing with the statement which I quoted and bolded just above was that there ARE folks such as our armed forces, who defend out countries' citizens' rights for "liberty, freedom, and privacy", and yet so very many FaceBook (etc) users use it blindly, and have no idea that they are sacrificing some of those same treasured rights.

I was not necessarily agreeing with other statements made by that poster.

Social media is still a new thing, for the military as well as for everyone else, and we ALL need to seek more info and learn about its risks as well as its perceived benefits.

I appreciate the response and (believe it or not) we appear to be in agreement, although possibly saying it in a different manner.

Since you're fairly new here, you may be interested in this DSLR thread from 4 years ago along a similar line:

»Marine Corps banning Facebook, Twitter and MySpace

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said by scelli:

I appreciate the response and (believe it or not) we appear to be in agreement, although possibly saying it in a different manner.

Since you're fairly new here, you may be interested in this DSLR thread from 4 years ago along a similar line:

»Marine Corps banning Facebook, Twitter and MySpace

 
I was worried for a moment that you thought otherwise.

Thanks - Will check out that thread.

And to bring the whole thing full circle (and to get back ON Topic), it is the identical fear of losing some of those same rights, which drives myself and many of the others posting here to feel worried, that what Yahoo is now about to do to us should be regarded as 'The Thin End of the Wedge', and will sooner or later strip us of what many FaceBook users have already, and for the most part unknowingly, given up.

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said by scelli:

Since you're fairly new here, you may be interested in this DSLR thread from 4 years ago along a similar line:

»Marine Corps banning Facebook, Twitter and MySpace

Maybe this explains why many of the marine folk I bump into are of the "You posted WHAT to Facebook?" off base. They need someone to teach them safe practices. The official abstinence program fails to be practical after hours.
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said by Davesnothere:

The common ground in my agreeing with the statement which I quoted and bolded just above was that there ARE folks such as our armed forces, who defend our countries' citizens' rights for "liberty, freedom, and privacy", and yet so very many FaceBook (etc) users use it blindly, and have no idea that they are sacrificing some of those same treasured rights.

I think this falls under the "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" philosophy. I thank people in the armed services for their sacrifices that paved the way for freedom of choice today. However, I don't feel that making a mistake in one's choices is necessarily disrespectful - it's just part of the liberty package.
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said by Thaler:

Maybe this explains why many of the marine folk I bump into are of the "You posted WHAT to Facebook?" off base. They need someone to teach them safe practices. The official abstinence program fails to be practical after hours.

Not quite sure what you mean regarding "the Marine folk" posting. The ban is in actuality only when using DOD computers as this quote from the article states: "The order doesn't affect Marines' private use of such networks on personal computers outside of their jobs."

If you're saying that Marines as well as other servicemembers need to be schooled in those safe practices for both on and off duty, then I wholeheartedly concur. We are definitely living in a computer age and possessing computer skills is an absolute necessity not only in civilian life but in the armed forces as well.
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said by Thaler:

I think this falls under the "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" philosophy. I thank people in the armed services for their sacrifices that paved the way for freedom of choice today. However, I don't feel that making a mistake in one's choices is necessarily disrespectful - it's just part of the liberty package.

Thanks. That's actually very well stated.

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said by scelli:

Not quite sure what you mean regarding "the Marine folk" posting.

I visit friends and associates down near Camp Pendleton - typically young and/or beginning recruits. Regardless of age though, they are almost all "green" when it comes to social networks. Many of them pretty much put up everything they do up on their personal pages.
said by scelli:

If you're saying that Marines as well as other servicemembers need to be schooled in those safe practices for both on and off duty, then I wholeheartedly concur. We are definitely living in a computer age and possessing computer skills is an absolute necessity not only in civilian life but in the armed forces as well.

Pretty much this. Staying off the grid entirely is both difficult and impractical - I wouldn't expect anyone to cease socializing with friends & family over popular mediums. Teaching awareness of one's social network presence is a much more feasible safety option for the average computer user today.
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said by Thaler:

I visit friends and associates down near Camp Pendleton - typically young and/or beginning recruits. Regardless of age though, they are almost all "green" when it comes to social networks. Many of them pretty much put up everything they do up on their personal pages.

There's lot of green Marines and other service members as well around that humongous MCB Camp Pendleton area (which also encompasses MCRD San Diego) and they're quite prone to consider themselves old salts both in military matters as well as life itself, a fallacy which always catches up with them sooner or later. I can vouch from experience to that one, having had my supposedly invincible self end up all too many times on the MP blotter report for various mischief during much younger 1st Marine Division days decades ago!

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said by scelli:

I can vouch from experience to that one, having had my supposedly invincible self end up all too many times on the MP blotter report for various mischief during much younger 1st Marine Division days decades ago!

Had I accepted an offer, could have been my blotter entry.

Alas, I chose the CA-ANG, and and an MOS change to Signal Corps ... from U.S. Army MP Corps.
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said by NormanS:

said by scelli:

I can vouch from experience to that one, having had my supposedly invincible self end up all too many times on the MP blotter report for various mischief during much younger 1st Marine Division days decades ago!

Had I accepted an offer, could have been my blotter entry.

Alas, I chose the CA-ANG, and and an MOS change to Signal Corps ... from U.S. Army MP Corps.

Sometimes when pulling staff duty NCO at battalion level, we occasionally had to spring clowns from various units of the command being held in "D" cell at the base MP station. That happened especially after a "96" (four day weekend) or after the eagle had crapped on payday, putting money in the pockets of all those teenage life-takers and heart breakers.

Had 6 different MOS designations by the time I separated active duty as an E-6. One of those was company RTO in my younger days, an MOS I'm sure you're quite familiar with having been in the Signal Corps.