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EFF Lawsuit Over Surveillance Moves Forward → There seems to be two schools of though

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wkm001 join:2009-12-14 1 recommendation	wkm001 Member 2013-Jul-9 11:03 am There seems to be two schools of though People are mad and hopeless or just don't care. I'm in the mad and hopeless group. The day after we found out what did you do differently? Did you not make phone calls, surf the web, text, send/receive email? Of course you did! All while KNOWING the government is watching you. Each day you use these services you get a little more use to that fact. So damn sad.
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jap Premium Member join:2003-08-10 038xx 2 edits	jap Premium Member 2013-Jul-9 11:24 am said by Relic: Bless you EFF. Indeed. I've tremendous respect for the EFF. They remain diligently focused on fundamentals and plug along without getting caught-up in the sort of vapid posturing & rhetoric that plagues and fragments other organizations. Solidity in a world of mush. said by wkm001: People are mad and hopeless or just don't care. Agreed. There's alot of plain old disillusionment amongst the citizenry these days. We've been disenfranchised from the political process by the business and super wealth segments of society. Capitalism run amok, I'm afraid.
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 11:24 am ·
CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium Member join:2011-08-11 NYC	CXM_Splicer to wkm001 Premium Member 2013-Jul-9 12:10 pm to wkm001 But the problem isn't people using the services, the problem is the monitoring. Just because I call and order Mexican food doesn't mean I accept the monitoring... just means I want the food to be ready when I get there.
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 12:10 pm ·
Terabit join:2008-12-19	Terabit to wkm001 Member 2013-Jul-9 12:36 pm to wkm001 To the contrary. Libertarian types or ultra liberals are the main folks who are paranoid about this crap. Moreover, are actually delusional enough to believe that the big bad government has nothing better to do than monitor 310 million people, let alone their own nobody (average Joe) life. All while the rich and the unaccountable private sector continue on (business as usual) and actually do the very things these same ignorant and paranoid folks claim the democratically elected government by the majority is apparently doing. Because of course, sifting through data is the equivalent of 24/7 surveillance.
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 12:36 pm ·
TechnoGeek join:2013-01-07	TechnoGeek Member 2013-Jul-9 12:55 pm Except this surveillance has already been abused: See here: »www.washingtonpost.com/b ··· ericans/ TL;DR: listening in on VERY PRIVATE soldiers calls from overseas because they are "entertaining." I would not characterize myself as paranoid. I am concerned about giving someone so much power, power that corrupts.
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 12:55 pm ·
CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium Member join:2011-08-11 NYC	CXM_Splicer to Terabit Premium Member 2013-Jul-9 12:58 pm to Terabit said by Terabit: All while the rich and the unaccountable private sector continue on (business as usual) and actually do the very things these same ignorant and paranoid folks claim the democratically elected government by the majority is apparently doing. Because of course, sifting through data is the equivalent of 24/7 surveillance. So you are saying that Google is recording my phone calls?
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 12:58 pm ·
xenophon join:2007-09-17	xenophon to Terabit Member 2013-Jul-9 3:41 pm to Terabit said by Terabit: To the contrary. Libertarian types or ultra liberals are the main folks who are paranoid about this crap. Is more on the grounds that we operate on 'innocent until proven guilty'. Monitoring personal activity w/out a warrant and things like airport body scanners operate by default assuming 'guilty until proven innocent'. It's the principal of not becoming a police state, not paranoia. That's not just a libertarian/ultra liberal view, some from all political sides see this - it's those who pander to fear who do not understand this. They'd rather give up liberty for a false sense of security - and then get neither.
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 3:41 pm ·
DataRiker Premium Member join:2002-05-19 00000	DataRiker to Terabit Premium Member 2013-Jul-9 10:27 pm to Terabit said by Terabit: To the contrary. Libertarian types or ultra liberals are the main folks who are paranoid about this crap. Moreover, are actually delusional enough to believe that the big bad government has nothing better to do than monitor 310 million people, let alone their own nobody (average Joe) life. All while the rich and the unaccountable private sector continue on (business as usual) and actually do the very things these same ignorant and paranoid folks claim the democratically elected government by the majority is apparently doing. Because of course, sifting through data is the equivalent of 24/7 surveillance. Come back to us when you're erroneously on the wrong side of a government investigation. These people have the power to absolutely destroy your life without recourse, and you have no problem with letting them have all your personal details with out an order from a "real" judge????
	actions · 2013-Jul-9 10:27 pm ·