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join:2013-07-15
London, ON

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Re: [TV] Where to get a cheap digital converter TV box?

Satellite TV is useless in severe overcast conditions and their packages are force fed.
I don't want porn or french programming but they make you take them because they have to go with certain movie packages. Same with sports... I like playing sports not watching them.
Yes... Bell and OTA is another monopoly.
Why does Rogers encryption have to be unique?
Why can't I just go out and buy my own box and not have to have my use monitored by Rogers?
Here's a for instance....
I had Rogers internet... One of my band mates needed a copy of one of our ORIGINAL songs. I had to go out so, I set up an FTP.. I only had the one file in it and it was not copyrighted. A week later I get a nasty letter from Rogers and a suspended account for running an FTP and being called a pirate and thief.
They were wrong, ignorant and rude with me.
Why do they monitor your web presence? Now they want to give me a box that has a mac address so they can monitor what channels I watch. Crazy stuff. I will never be sold on Rogers again.
A buddy at work used to think Rogers was the best until he got his Netflix account hooked up on his PC. No one warned him about watching Hi-Def movies... Besides me. His next bill was over $600.00... LOL No word of a lie! Others at work complain about the costs for the Rogers phone apps like TV Anywhere and the overcharging for data use using them.
I don't think Rogers wants you going elsewhere to watch TV or movies. I think this was part of the reason why they wanted to squeeze out the competition by wanting them all capped on bandwidth. Thankfully that hasn't gone through....yet. I use a non capped, wide open service provider that is half of the cost of Rogers and has a way better up time as well. I am never down and their tech support speaks clear English without the horrendous hold times and run around. I stream TV from the net without having to assume the position. If you don't mind paying ridiculous money for basic cable which gives you a lame selection or paying through the nose for their upgraded subscription to give you a few more channels of filler and pretty much crap and can afford to throw your money away, then by all means do so.
I am only stating a fact here. We are paying way too much for crappy programming and when we try to go to an alternate source they try getting paid from it as well or they try to shut it down.
Yes they are a monopoly.

LazMan
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join:2003-03-26
Beverly Hills, CA

LazMan

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You have to pick a position...

You can't call Rogers's a monopoly; while telling us about the other services you use, instead... If they were a monopoly, you'd have no other options.

I don't think Roger's are saints - they are in business to make money, just like every other business in the world. But I also don't think they are evil incarnate; either...

elitefx
join:2011-02-14
London, ON

elitefx

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said by LazMan:

I don't think Roger's are saints - they are in business to make money, just like every other business in the world. But I also don't think they are evil incarnate; either...

There is such a thing as morals and ethics. Robbing people blind just because you can hardly qualifies as good business ethics and corporate responsibility. Everyone agrees Rogers has the right to be profitable. Price gouging is a whole different story.................

Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON

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said by LazMan:

You can't call Rogers's a monopoly; while telling us about the other services you use, instead... If they were a monopoly, you'd have no other options.

That's not really true. Take a look at carriage and deployment rules in the US, where there are mandated monopolies. The *insert company* is the only game in town, much like what is happening in places here. You have no other option, but there is other options when you're outside of their mandated area.

LazMan
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join:2003-03-26
Beverly Hills, CA

LazMan

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said by Mashiki:

That's not really true. Take a look at carriage and deployment rules in the US, where there are mandated monopolies. The *insert company* is the only game in town, much like what is happening in places here. You have no other option, but there is other options when you're outside of their mandated area.

There's no overlap in cableco's - that's true... BUT - to look at it from a service level; there's no service a cableco offers, that you can't get from someone else...

Internet? Cableco, TPIA, DSL, Wireless, and Cellular are all options.

TV? Cableco, OTA, DTH, IPTV, and Telco (in certain regions).

Phone? Cableco, Cellular, VoIP, ILEC, CLEC...

There's nothing Rogers offers, that you can't get from someone else... So, at least in my mind, they aren't a monopoly. I'd buy a duopoly/ogolopoly argument; but certainly not a true monopoly...

Anyways - we're playing semantics here now...

elitefx
join:2011-02-14
London, ON

elitefx

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said by LazMan:

Anyways - we're playing semantics here now...

IMHO it becomes a monopoly when there is no viable competition to force the incumbent to keep their prices in check. Perfect example: Rogers internet prices/packages Ontario vs Rogers internet prices/packages east coast.

Rogers has proven they will suck the life out of any market should the opportunity arise. It's not about remaining profitable. It's about sheer vicious corporate greed.

Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON

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said by LazMan:

There's no overlap in cableco's - that's true... BUT - to look at it from a service level; there's no service a cableco offers, that you can't get from someone else...

Internet? Cableco, TPIA, DSL, Wireless, and Cellular are all options.

TV? Cableco, OTA, DTH, IPTV, and Telco (in certain regions).

Phone? Cableco, Cellular, VoIP, ILEC, CLEC...

There's nothing Rogers offers, that you can't get from someone else... So, at least in my mind, they aren't a monopoly. I'd buy a duopoly/ogolopoly argument; but certainly not a true monopoly...

Anyways - we're playing semantics here now...

That's not quite true either. There are places where you can only get one service from, very common in the US now that AT&T and a few other companies managed to get the TPIA agreements removed(allowing companies to lease line access). And it happens here in Canada too, at my sisters place out west she has one option for most of her services. And that's telus, there is no other competition. Not for cell(unless you want to pay through the nose for extra), not for internet(there is no competition at all), you can get the three satellite providers, but there is no OTA service. But if you want I think it's bell they charge you extra to come out to do the install. And phone? The only company that will provide service is Telus.