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Re: Something changed, and if it isn't a bug, I don't/do like it

no it isn't intended and I will check I can't say I have noticed that.

It happened again. I checked the Network tab and the Response was correct. Then I did View Source on the page, and it matched the Response.

The browser seems to be receiving correct data from the server, but not displaying it. I have never seen this before. I already disabled all my extensions except for Flash and Adobe Reader just to make sure they weren't causing the problem.

If it's only affecting me, just ignore it.

Do you mean you pressed F5 and are pretty sure the server was contacted, and pretty sure the server returned to the browser the updated page, but in the tab nothing changed, however in (say) another browser (or in another tab?), you'd see a fresher page?

I found the reason:
»bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46845

It is a firefox bug, if you input some stuff into a form and press reload, the form contents is preserved by firefox. This is not expected behaviour, and unfortunately it trips up the simplest way to detect that someone has pressed BACK and got a cached page, rather than loading a fresh page from the server.

Therefore I'll have to find a work around for firefox.

Amazingly the bug has a huge history and apparently still the firefox group wants to be out of step with other browsers. In no other browser can you input text and find it preserved (not the default values reinstated) when you press RELOAD to get a new page!

Thank you very much for investigating.

apparently all of them.
I think it sucks and so do many of the Firefox devs that have commentated on the bug over many years: reload is reload: if you reload you expect as a user to get a clean form with site defaults and reset hidden fields, not old data. "Losing" data after pressing the little circular arrow is expected behavior.

 
And I just demonstrated it to myself today during a test of FF 14.

I WAS being a bit tongue-in-cheek there, last post, yet still there ARE times when I would be VERY glad, after something had upset my browser, if it would let me have back what I was typing.

Possibly a configurable setting in SOME browser's next revision would be a welcome addition, to let the user mimic either FireFox's or traditional behaviour in this functionality.

It seems that in the FireFox dev team, you may well have encountered someone rivaling your hesitance to yield to certain suggestions here and there.

I just read the comments attached to the bug and I agree with the many that say it breaks the web. generally Firefox tries to be in step with all other browsers so it seems that it didn't get addressed more because of a failing of the bug reporting system than because it was a key differentiating feature.

Two Firefox add-ons I've found useful over the years for various "problem" situations: Textarea Cache (which I currently use) and Lazarus (which I don't). They both help you "get back what you've lost" (and there may even be some newer extensions now which do the same thing).

Anime and sci fi has been moved to technical, can it be moved back to Talk please

How about technical as a category name is slightly changed to reflect it is also special interest groups.

Note that talk is labelled

"Social
Talk, Current affairs and Politics. See also ... Regional Talk and Gaming"

I don't know Justin, I had a look at the technical "section" and every forum in their deal with technical issues. Graphics, computers. Ham radio etc.

The Anime/SCI Fi forum really is a talk forum, the only think technical is how good/bad the cg in a tv show/movie is.
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not saying it is technical but it is special interest. Anyway the categories are somewhat in a state of flux and I don't think it makes much difference.

When attaching an image to my post, after clicking upload, the image that shows in the window above the posting area, is not the image I uploaded--it is instead the image of the initial (first) post. Although the actual post is correct, this is confusing during the posting process. (I first thought I had selected/posted the wrong image until I finally figured out what was going on...)
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I can't say I've seen this, unless a previous attempt to upload was not posted. For example you upload Picture A, but cancel or BACK your way out then try again with Picture B you will see A and B (and post A and B).

Sounds like your problem is much more fundamental and must be related to the browser / setup you're on. Which is?

Difference in terms of the number of people (tiny) that explore forums via the category they are in. Of course some people have visceral reactions to the addition of a full stop, yes.

I'd like to have the "all topics are ok" forums in their own category which is based around the word "Talk", "Lounge" etc., that's my preference. Whether or not the category for "forums on a particular subject" need the emphasis on tech, or there should be a second category like "special interest" is something I haven't got to yet.

You guys have to get used to the incremental nature of change here, even in large projects a complete revamp isn't rolled out without adjustments later needed. But here, with far fewer people pecking away, different things move forward not always lock-step in consistency.

Browser IE9. Procedure as follows:
Typed in reply > clicked attachments > selected (browse) the image ("picture A") > clicked upload > clicked preview.
The previewed image was not what I selected and uploaded--the previewed image was the images in the OP initial post.
However, the image I selected was actually uploaded and attached to my post--it just didn't show in the preview window. That's what was confusing.
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It was confusing, yes, try it now. It was a regression that I didn't spot when I changed the quick reply to not lose the ability to see the post you're replying to, when you switched over to full reply.

Coded Graphics Seem Broken

 
I had not stumbled upon that anomaly.

But.....

What happened to the musical notes and other coded graphics ?

For example, these : ♪ ♫

used to yield musical note symbols.

(hit reply and quote my post to see my codes)

BTW, I am temp testing FireFox 14 right now on XP, and missing them, but they always used to work in IE8.

Until the extended character set arabic "crash the browser" sequences are patched in webkit, they're disabled in forums.

 
When did THAT happen ?

Will posts which I made prior to that date also not show the xtd chars ?

Yes as the filter is for upper end extended characters.

Can you point me to an example post that was useful but has now lost its content, some of the characters can be whitelisted.

Re: Something changed, and if it isn't a bug, I don't/do like it

I wasn't actually exploring--just looking at the breadcrumbs; some things you see, and they make you think "That's just wrong." And on the subject of "special interest", given that you now allow people to start topics in the Anime/Sci-Fi forum about things having no relevance whatsoever to anime, sci-fi, or fantasy (which is to say, any show or movie or book or whatever at all), the forum in question is becoming less and less "special" with every passing day.

Every incremental change is an indicator, as well as a motivator--any and all of which may prompt... feedback.

I'm happy to rename the Anime and Sci-Fi forum to "Geek Media" or "Anime, Sci-Fi and TV", but it should remain on topic - not become yet another general chat forum.

Perhaps that is the more important thing to raise in Feedback?

Re: Coded Graphics Seem Broken

 
I cannot speak for everyone, but I used some musical characters, two of which are hidden in my first post about this.

That group of musical codes is all in a sequence, some before and some after those two examples, IIRC.

So only those two notes?
♪ ♫

 
Mainly yes, though there are more related symbols near them.

I cannot recall exactly how many others, just before or after those 2 codes.

Is there a list/table of these characters anywhere for me to examine ?