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sk1939
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2013-Jul-24 4:50 pm
[ipv6] Verizon IPv6 SupportDoes anyone know if Verizon/UUNET supports IPv6 yet? I get some indicators that the answer is yes, but I do not know for sure.
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 96.X.X.X
Your Internet Service Provider (ISP) appears to be UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business
No IPv6 address detected
Good news! Your current configuration will continue to work as web sites enable IPv6.
You appear to be able to browse the IPv4 Internet only. You will not be able to reach IPv6-only sites.
Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have IPv6 Internet access. |
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Re: [ipv6] Verizon IPv6 SupportHave you asked in a Verizon forum? |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-24 6:12 pm
Have not (yet), wanted to ask around here first. |
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Verizon/UUnet does for their backbone and business customers on dedicated circuits (.e.g. T1 / T3 / OC3 / Ethernet, etc.) but does not for their consumer/business customers on DSL or FiOS. From what I have heard elsewhere it sounds like Verizon is going to be rolling out v6 on FiOS starting next month. |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-24 9:20 pm
said by 34764170:Verizon/UUnet does for their backbone and business customers on dedicated circuits (.e.g. T1 / T3 / OC3 / Ethernet, etc.) but does not for their consumer/business customers on DSL or FiOS. From what I have heard elsewhere it sounds like Verizon is going to be rolling out v6 on FiOS starting next month. Both FiOS and Metro-E are currently only IPv4, but I thought the test results were interesting as it shows that there is the capability, but not the last-mile implementation for it. |
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aefstoggaflmOpen Source Fan Premium Member join:2002-03-04 Bethlehem, PA Linksys E4200 ARRIS SB6141
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said by sk1939:Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have IPv6 Internet access. What DNS Server are you using? If you do not know, then what OS and Version do you use? For example Windows 7 |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-25 12:24 pm
said by aefstoggaflm:said by sk1939:Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have IPv6 Internet access. What DNS Server are you using? Internal DNS and 208.67.222.222. |
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well that explains that, 208.67.222.222 is not verizon it's OPEN DNS » whois.arin.net/rest/net/ ··· -0-1/pftwhy did you mention UUNET? is this a buisness T1/T3/OC3 line? with BGP? For those you likely need to contact your sales persion about adding IPv6. (and of course you equipment and IT staff needs to support it as well). 96.x.x.x doesn't really narrow it done. edit, NM it said UUNet in ARIN record.... what type verizon do you have? FioS? wireless? I've once seen Ipv6 on Verizon Cellular, despite claims 25% of network upgraded. |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-25 12:45 pm
said by quesix:well that explains that, 208.67.222.222 is not verizon it's OPEN DNS
»whois.arin.net/rest/net/ ··· -0-1/pft
why did you mention UUNET? is this a buisness T1/T3/OC3 line? with BGP? For those you likely need to contact your sales persion about adding IPv6. (and of course you equipment and IT staff needs to support it as well). 96.x.x.x doesn't really narrow it done.
edit, NM it said UUNet in ARIN record.... what type verizon do you have? FioS? wireless? I've once seen Ipv6 on Verizon Cellular, despite claims 25% of network upgraded. FiOS Business class in this particular instance. |
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using their router or yours? type/model? do you have access? does it show IPv6 support/enabled/code version? Do you have static IPs? even if they start turning on next month, unless your equipment supports you won't see it, not to worry, nothing really needs IPv6 at this time. I haven't dealt with FIOS at all myself. |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-25 1:24 pm
said by quesix:using their router or yours? type/model? do you have access? does it show IPv6 support/enabled/code version? Do you have static IPs? even if they start turning on next month, unless your equipment supports you won't see it, not to worry, nothing really needs IPv6 at this time. I haven't dealt with FIOS at all myself. My router, Cisco 3825, and it supports IPv6. I do have static IP's, V4 only of course. |
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I use a couple Cisco 2851s myself with IPv6. are you a GUI or CLI user? some things to try add "ipv6 enable" on WAN GigabitEthernet interface run "show ipv6 neighbors", for me i showed nothing on my home connection until i enabled DHCP config, business static IPv6 is probably going to take longer to start than dhcp assignments to residential customers on large providers. (see 2851 script example in this same forum, 3825 will be nearly identical for auto assignments). Quick google search doesn't really give any clues to when Verizon will be doing any of it, probably due to delays from FIOS equipment vendors. That router has good support for Tunneling as well, with static IPS you can get ::/48 block from HE.NET » tunnelbroker.net/ |
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said by sk1939:said by quesix:using their router or yours? type/model? do you have access? does it show IPv6 support/enabled/code version? Do you have static IPs? even if they start turning on next month, unless your equipment supports you won't see it, not to worry, nothing really needs IPv6 at this time. I haven't dealt with FIOS at all myself. My router, Cisco 3825, and it supports IPv6. I do have static IP's, V4 only of course. Cisco 2800's 3800's and 4500's support v6 nicely.. I use my 3825 for v6 and voice support.. |
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said by sk1939:said by aefstoggaflm:said by sk1939:Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have IPv6 Internet access. What DNS Server are you using? Internal DNS and 208.67.222.222. By Internal DNS you mean, you are running your own DNS Server behind your NAT router? |
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said by quesix:I use a couple Cisco 2851s myself with IPv6. are you a GUI or CLI user? some things to try add "ipv6 enable" on WAN GigabitEthernet interface run "show ipv6 neighbors", for me i showed nothing on my home connection until i enabled DHCP config, business static IPv6 is probably going to take longer to start than dhcp assignments to residential customers on large providers. (see 2851 script example in this same forum, 3825 will be nearly identical for auto assignments). Quick google search doesn't really give any clues to when Verizon will be doing any of it, probably due to delays from FIOS equipment vendors.
That router has good support for Tunneling as well, with static IPS you can get ::/48 block from HE.NET »tunnelbroker.net/ CLI unless it's something easier to do on CCP. 3800#sh ipv6 neigh 3800# 3800#sh ipv6 traf IPv6 statistics: Rcvd: 0 total, 0 local destination 0 source-routed, 0 truncated 0 format errors, 0 hop count exceeded 0 bad header, 0 unknown option, 0 bad source 0 unknown protocol, 0 not a router 0 fragments, 0 total reassembled 0 reassembly timeouts, 0 reassembly failures 0 unicast RPF drop, 0 suppressed RPF drop Sent: 13 generated, 0 forwarded 0 fragmented into 0 fragments, 0 failed 6 encapsulation failed, 0 no route, 0 too big Mcast: 0 received, 13 sent 3800# 3800#sh ipv6 int FastEthernet0/0 is up, line protocol is up IPv6 is enabled, link-local address is [redacted] No Virtual link-local address(es): Description: WAN No global unicast address is configured Joined group address(es): FF02::1 FF02::2 FF02::1 MTU is 1500 bytes ICMP error messages limited to one every 100 milliseconds ICMP redirects are enabled ICMP unreachables are sent ND DAD is enabled, number of DAD attempts: 1 ND reachable time is 30000 milliseconds ND advertised reachable time is 0 milliseconds ND advertised retransmit interval is 0 milliseconds ND router advertisements are sent every 200 seconds ND router advertisements live for 1800 seconds ND advertised default router preference is Medium Hosts use stateless autoconfig for addresses. That being said, I hope to dual stack it for the near future. I also won't run IPv6 past the router due to security concerns. |
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said by anon ipv6 :By Internal DNS you mean, you are running your own DNS Server behind your NAT router? It's an internal Authoritative DNS sitting behind the firewall, and one in the DMZ. The router itself just routes, while NAT is handled by a firewall. |
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yep, no sign of IPv6 from Verizon. check again in 30 days. |
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said by sk1939:Both FiOS and Metro-E are currently only IPv4, but I thought the test results were interesting as it shows that there is the capability, but not the last-mile implementation for it. Well the Ethernet connections I'm referring to are within data centers. Is this Metro-E service L3 and not L2? If not that is pretty bizarre that they would be so far behind most other major carriers. |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-25 11:40 pm
The Metro-E circuit is layer 2 transport with layer 3 termination if I recall. |
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2013-Jul-25 11:44 pm
said by sk1939:The Metro-E circuit is layer 2 transport with layer 3 termination if I recall. Oh, ok. That explains the situation. So they're providing a router on your end instead of a hand off at the media converter? |
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sk1939
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2013-Jul-25 11:55 pm
said by 34764170:said by sk1939:The Metro-E circuit is layer 2 transport with layer 3 termination if I recall. Oh, ok. That explains the situation. So they're providing a router on your end instead of a hand off at the media converter? They do, but only because it was originally MPLS (I believe). I don't work in that office so I don't know for a fact. |
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so for FiOS customers who have put their VZ-supplied router into bridged mode, or use the Ethernet port on their ONT, and in any case use their own router, do you anticipate any IPv6-capable router will work? (What I'm getting at is if your VZ-supplied router doesn't support IPv6, it may not necessarily be a show-stopper.) Do you know addressing will be handled? (Please say "DHCPv6 prefix delegation" ) |
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said by rchandra:so for FiOS customers who have put their VZ-supplied router into bridged mode, or use the Ethernet port on their ONT, and in any case use their own router, do you anticipate any IPv6-capable router will work? (What I'm getting at is if your VZ-supplied router doesn't support IPv6, it may not necessarily be a show-stopper.)
Do you know addressing will be handled? (Please say "DHCPv6 prefix delegation" ) I do not see why not. All of these configuration mechanisms are standardized. It is not like they are using proprietary mechanisms specific to VZ or FiOS. If your VZ supplied router doesn't support v6 and they don't have newer firmware from the vendor (which is very unlikely seeing how new most of this equipment is) you just will not receive v6 service. You will receive a firmware upgrade for the equipment that can be upgraded or go back to VZ and swap for newer CPE. AFAIK DHCPv6 is the only mechanism for propagating v6 prefixes back to the router. No idea what they'll be using for configuring the WAN port of the router. It is more likely they will use DHCPv6. Cable: DHCPv6 / DHCPv6-PD DSL: RA / DHCPv6-PD or DHCPv6 / DHCPv6-PD depending on the ISP |
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2013-Jul-27 12:08 am
Well, the other options would be each host needs to get an address with DHCPv6, or through RS/RA/DAD. In the typical setup of the customer's router acting as a gateway to a LAN, either of those is....complicated. This router would have to proxy all RS/RA/DAD/NS/NA traffic, or act as a DHCPv6 relay. As most ISPs limit each customer to one IPv4 address, for most people it'd be impractical NOT to route all devices through a NATting router, so having proxying or relaying going on is just so much of a PITA...it's just so much easier for dual stack to be delegated a subnet (through PD) and have the customer's router advertise that prefix to the LAN. So I'm hoping PD is the way they'll go. |
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2013-Jul-27 12:29 am
said by rchandra:Well, the other options would be each host needs to get an address with DHCPv6, or through RS/RA/DAD. In the typical setup of the customer's router acting as a gateway to a LAN, either of those is....complicated. This router would have to proxy all RS/RA/DAD/NS/NA traffic, or act as a DHCPv6 relay. As most ISPs limit each customer to one IPv4 address, for most people it'd be impractical NOT to route all devices through a NATting router, so having proxying or relaying going on is just so much of a PITA...it's just so much easier for dual stack to be delegated a subnet (through PD) and have the customer's router advertise that prefix to the LAN. So I'm hoping PD is the way they'll go. No one sane would even consider the first option and that provides for a pretty screwed up setup. I don't see any indication RA can be used for prefix delegation. RA / DHCPv6 would be used for the WAN address. DHCPv6-PD for the LAN segment prefix. |
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2013-Jul-27 5:08 am
I wasn't saying RS/RA would provide PD. It will however provide a means for address assignment (along with one's MAC address). |
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2013-Jul-27 6:36 pm
Well inside the LAN the majority of the time RA will be used by default for most consumer and business connections (not just for FiOS but in general). |
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