 criggs join:2000-07-14 New York, NY Reviews:
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| Sprint's Reseller Deal (Millenicom, Wireless 'n' WiFi, etc.) I've been searching through DSL Reports without success, and googled without success. Here goes.
As most of the folks on DSL Reports probably know, there are at least two Sprint resellers which offer a package with reasonable data caps: Millenicom, with a data cap of 50 gigs, and Wireless 'n' WiFi, which promotes a 4G service that's unlimited combined with a 3G service that's capped at 35 gigs. (There may be more than just those two, but I haven't heard of any.)
I seem to distinctly remember reading somewhere on the DSL Reports site that someone had found out that the Wireless 'n' WiFi 4G was NOT unlimited, as advertised, but in fact has a 100 gig cap. But I've googled and searched until I'm blue in the face and not been able to find any such reference. Did I imagine it?
More broadly, can anyone explain to me why Sprint resellers can get better deals for its subscribers on the data caps than one can get by subscribing to Sprint directly? |
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 Max SignalPremium join:2008-03-07 Buffalo, NY kudos:1 | Their deal is their deal . It is not public info for a reason. Being a user gives no one the right to private signed contracts between Sprint and said reseller . I am sure it is because they buy in volume and handle all billing and customer service issues of their subscribers. |
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 dib22 join:2002-01-27 Kansas City, MO | reply to criggs
I cannot speak to re-sellers but as far as sprint data products for businesses they were still offering unlimited plans to larger businesses even after they switched to the 5GB limit (this is back before the selectable usage 3GB, 6GB, 10GB etc).
My guess has always been either: a. they are still selling unlimited plans to the resellers (b2b) and they only react when sprint pushes back or
b. they struck a deal where the average across all users has to be near a set limit... so the guys who use 100GB are offset buy the guys who only use 2GB a month... the average across the account would be within the limits.
But I have not seen the contracts so I have no real idea 
Hold your breath and let's see what softbank does... I have a feeling were going to be seeing real competition once softbank gets everything sorted out. |
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| said by dib22:My guess has always been either: a...or b. they struck a deal where the average across all users has to be near a set limit. Do you recall reading anywhere or seeing anywhere, on this web site or elsewhere, about the Wireless 'n' WiFi actually being a 100gig cap deal, not an unlimited deal? I distinctly remember reading that somewhere on this site, but I can't find it now. |
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| I posted that somewhere, but I can't find which forum it was, i'll check my email. Its the same as Millenicom... After a certain point, it throws up a red flag.... I'll repost if I find it.
[BQUOTE=criggsDo you recall reading anywhere or seeing anywhere, on this web site or elsewhere, about the Wireless 'n' WiFi actually being a 100gig cap deal, not an unlimited deal? I distinctly remember reading that somewhere on this site, but I can't find it now. [/BQUOTE |
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Yes, the cap on wireless-n-wifi 4G wimax or LTE is 100GB..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
Re: 4G LTE data limits FROM Cellguru TO You At 10:43 AM 5/7/2013 Show Details
From Cellguru To Greg H
It looks like you have pretty strong LTE in both areas.
60 to 70 GB should be no problem, as long as you are in the 4G areas.
I don't see any problem with that usage going forward, we have several customers using that volume every month.
keep under 100GB simply because we don't want to raise any red flags with Sprint. exceed it repeatedly, we simply ask you to find service elsewhere.
Thanks
Cellguru |
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 criggs join:2000-07-14 New York, NY | So, as I understand it, going over 100 in one particular month is NOT a problem. Doing so repeatedly is. Okay, I think I got it. |
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| probably as Millenicom states "consistently going over will alert our investigative team". That sounds kinda lame using that wording, but I am sure that means they got a notice from SPRINT wanting them to contact the user and tell them to curb their usage.
said by criggs:So, as I understand it, going over 100 in one particular month is NOT a problem. Doing so repeatedly is. Okay, I think I got it. |
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I am a regular follower and occasional contributor, but for the purposes of this subject I must use a temporary handle.
I have been in the cellular/mobile broadband business since cellular launched in the mid 80's, I currently work for a carrier, but prior to that I worked for a reseller who shall remain nameless and who is no longer in the business.
Both the companies you mention have been in the business for decades, good people, I know principals from both, and likely they are grandfathered under "unlimited" deals. When you have hundreds or even thousands of modems operating and pay your bill on time, you have a certain degree of clout with the carrier. That being said, NOTHING is truly unlimited.
My former employer learned that the hard way, and I think both these companies are doing their best to avoid becoming the next former reseller. Anything above 50GB is going to draw attention, and as dib22 mentioned, averages matter too.
I have heard second hand from someone close to the situation, that one of these two companies has shut-off a bunch of "egregious" offenders, and it appears that they ended up with the other company, resulting in the largest jump in average usage that they have ever seen. Their previous high use subscribers were in the 60-80 GB range, and suddenly they have 100GB+ people.
I suspect that they will probably be forced to put some type of controls on the bandwidth used or risk losing their entire fleet. |
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| Fascinating! Thank you.
said by Anon4now :Both the companies you mention have been in the business for decades, good people, Well, that's certainly been my impression as well.
said by Anon4now :NOTHING is truly unlimited. My former employer learned that the hard way, I realize because of the nature of your circumstances that you are in no position to directly respond to anything necessarily. But I have to say that the above quote certainly sounds very ominous.
said by Anon4now :Anything above 50GB is going to draw attention, Again, no response necessarily expected, unless you want to, but if 50 gig is really the danger zone, I'm surprised that Wireless 'n' WiFi has only talked to some folks about a possible 100 gig danger zone. Perhaps his fleet is so large that a few 100 gig users here or there don't make that much difference.
said by Anon4now :I have heard...that one of these two companies has shut-off a bunch of "egregious" offenders, My uneducated uninformed personal guess would be that that would be Millenicom.
said by Anon4now :and it appears that they ended up with the other company, Probably Wireless 'n' WiFi. I am certainly one of those who migrated from Millenicom to Wireless 'n' WiFi. However I left before I was pushed, I suspect. I consistently was hitting my 50 gig maximum over the last three months around mid-month. However, at that point, I'd simply switch to the slow local WiFi and limped along with that until the end of the month, hating every minute of it, so I never actually got tagged by Millenicom. But it was a miserable experience which is why I switched to WnW.
said by Anon4now :resulting in the largest jump in average usage that they have ever seen. Their previous high use subscribers were in the 60-80 GB range, and suddenly they have 100GB+ people. That would almost certainly be me among others. Last month, for the first time in my life, I went over 100 GB (112 to be exact) and WnW sent me a letter NOT asking that I use less and NOT telling me I'd gone over any limit. However the letter did say that the previous record for WnW was 84 gigs, and it asked me to tell them whether 112 was typical or abnormal for me (it is abnormal; my average is 70 to 90, though I'm up to 75 already this month, with the end-of-month being on the 8th, which works out to 111 by the end of the month if I change nothing. So I may have to cool it a bit for the next week or so in order to stay under 100 by the 8th).
said by Anon4now :I suspect that they will probably be forced to put some type of controls on the bandwidth used or risk losing their entire fleet. If I had to guess, any limits they place on usage will probably be imposed over a multi-month period, like a two-month or a three-month period. I conclude that based on the rather unambiguous promise of unlimited in their promotional material, which they probably don't want to contradict. In other words, they might say something like "Our service continues to be unlimited and we impose no specific cap over a monthly period. However we do request subscribers to try to keep their average at or under 100 gigs. For example, if you use up 120 gigs in month one then we ask you to please use no more than 80 gigs in the next month, and so forth and so on." |
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good points.... |
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