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Obey the law or go out of business

Obey the law or go out of business. That was his choice and he made it. NSLs are legal. He could obey them; sue to stop them; lobby Congress; or go out of business. Or ignore the law and fight the DOJ in court when they arrest him for breaking the law. He made his choice.

I think NSLs are a legitimate way to investigate terrorism. He evidently disagrees, as is his right. But if you can't obey the law, then you have to pay the piper.
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Re: Obey the law or go out of business

Stop the endless march of totalitarianism, or become serfs of regime.

It is amazing how people love oppressive regimes.
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So, what you're saying is... everyone in the NSA and several other TLAs is going to jail... or getting tossed out onto the street. Good.

Re: Obey the law or go out of business

Traffic fatalities: 30,000+ per year
Terrorism fatalities: less than 100 per year

How would you feel about GPS and other monitoring to make sure everyone is driving safely? Why are some people willing to accept such an invasion for such a minor problem in the grand scheme of things?

Terrorism is just murder by another name, and a small percentage of murders at that. The founders of your country didn't feel that it was worth it to throw your freedom of speech and right privacy under the bus to catch a few murderers, why do you?

Certainly OP would endorse it, a police state will create a utopia.
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Being legal and being right are two different things.
Looks like with NSLs you can obey the law, and ALSO pay the piper.

Technically, the choices were Agree to break the law or go out of business. I think he made the right decision, too bad some won't.

If you lived in the US, you'd know the GPS among other sensor already monitors your driving and records it to a black box in your vehicle, Should you be thought to be one of the causative factors in a major accident, the police, the NTSB And you insurance company are among those that will get a copy and penalize you into better habit (or walking) pretty sure even "no Fault" Canada does something similar.
And many people don't wish to wait until the terrorism tolls hit 30k before TRYING to slow it down.

Yeah, just like all this spying stopped the Times Square bomber, Nadal Hassan and 2 Chechen Islamists (which the Rooskies warned us about on multiple occasions). Meanwhile these same group of incompetents have been shown to abuse this power.

Sorry, there is no excuse for a police state, certainly no Constitutional grounds for one, nor is it even necessary.

You are FAR more likely to be killed or wounded by ever increasingly militant domestic police, than harmed by a terrorist (no thanks to a totally inept government).
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I guess I can understand why someone would think that way, but I think its reflects very poorly on you.

There are laws and rights more important than those passed by Congress.

So technically US drone strikes are Terrorism.

Looks like NSLs weren't involved here after all. Just a plain old warrant issued by a court and not the FISA court.
»www.zdnet.com/snowdens-privacy-o···0019185/

Except every month it seems another "conspiracy theory" is proven correct. Till Snowden, I thought it was a conspiracy theory that the US govt was watching everything done online, now we know it is true.

I can't see how the US govt isn't totalitarian at this point - it just "allows" you more actions that you personally expect a totalitarian goverment to allow. That doesn't mean it allows the same actions to everyone (see all the well documented "selective" enforcement of laws), nor that it won't choose to deny you some action at any time in secret without appeal to courts or the public.
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If only someone had told Rosa Parks the same thing...

Or the Japanese tossed into internment camps. It is the "law"...suck it up!
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actual they increased the label restrictions in 2009 and are adding more new precautions now.

Wait, I thought you hated government regulation that forced businesses to close?

The black box in a car saves about 30 seconds of very specific data. You really want to compare that to what the US government is collecting?

We dont need to slow down terrorism as it NEVER sped up or amounted to anything in the US. Far less have been killed by terrorism in the history of the world than were killed last year by others doing even lawful things. It is a made up war to spend billions on pet projects and to justify intrusion into private lives and people like you buy into it.