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Ian
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Westlinkcable.net and Westlink Cable is a scam

Covered in another thread here, at length. But I think it deserves its own thread for google searches.

»Warning about Cable Gator in Toronto area

Westlinkcable.net is the latest in a a long chain of scams. It started with Cable Gator, at least on this site, but at this point the scam is Westlinkcable.net.
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By the way. CanadianISP See Profile I am calling you out here. Your listing of this scammers site is spot number two on google for a search on Westlink Cable. Does your listing service perform ANY checks to list on your site? Someone searching might come across them based on your listing. How are you not facilitating a scam, and are you not at all worried that people will assume your listing page is utterly untrustworthy?

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I think you are being rather harsh on CanadianISP. Remember none of us actually have any real proof on the operations of Westlink Cable. Sure, we can all infer from the fact we never see any tangible proof of their business, but the same could be said for many other small ISPs as well.


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The Nature of this SCAM - Overview

 
Before we get too far into this thread, it should be explained to all of the new readers - just what kind of a scam it is, of which we are accusing Westlink Cable and its predecessor companies.

Simply put, each company is a person or persons, who pretend(s) to be an Internet provider, convinces a potential customer (aka a 'Mark') to hand over some money for service, does not provide the service, and then of course keeps the money.

Rinse and repeat with the next victim, then rename and move the company every few weeks or months.

Each individual occurrence is relatively small, so the RCMP has not shown much interest so far, but they are aware that something is happening.

This country needs updated laws to help the RCMP and other authorities to deal more effectively with online scams and such, but until then, we have discussion boards such as this one, to assist in warning innocent folks when there is a risk of them becoming separated from their hard-earned money.

Westlink has a website, albeit an incomplete and very basic looking one, and they have a contact phone number to place orders, and this is enough to get them started.

They also have advertised on KIJIJI, and have maintained listings at Canadian ISP, a long-standing informational website about - yes, Canadian ISPs.

Further side effects of this illicit operation are the possibility of additional credit card charges, and even identity theft, as one crime can easily lead to another, once a scammer becomes more experienced and confident.

Feel free to add more info, or correct me, if I have missed or misstated something important.

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Re: Westlinkcable.net and Westlink Cable is a scam

Many people on many occasions have asked WestLink for tangible proof, even a shred of proof as to their legitimacy, and at each turn they have lied, ignored, fabricated evidence and denied these requests.

So until they can show proof, WESTLINK IS A SCAM!
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said by trog:

I think you are being rather harsh on CanadianISP.

Perhaps. But then again, my question stands. Does Canadianisp perform any checks at all? If the answer is no, then it stands to reason that any fraudsters pretending to be an an ISP (like John Banks or whatever) would list themselves there for google reasons. So if the answer is no, is such a listing service, useful, or harmful?
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said by trog:

I think you are being rather harsh on CanadianISP. Remember none of us actually have any real proof on the operations of Westlink Cable. Sure, we can all infer from the fact we never see any tangible proof of their business, but the same could be said for many other small ISPs as well.

 
You may be correct that some of our evidence is circumstantial.

However, in MY understanding of ISP operations, there are some things which ALL ISPs, no matter how small, must have in order to FUNCTION as ISPs, such as a block of IP addresses dedicated to them and their customers.

Neither Westlink Cable, nor any of their named alleged predecessors, has that, for example.

And then there is the fudging of the speed tests.

A REAL Internet provider, and/or their customers, would be ready, willing, and able, to show REAL examples of these.

We do not care exactly how fast the service is, but other associated data would prove whose customer is really performing the test.

There are more factors, but I think those to be the main ones.

Feel free to add more info, or correct me, if I have missed or misstated something important.

= = = = = = = = =

As for Canadian ISP, they are in a difficult position due to their OWN raison d'etre, and they have stated so already in the DSLR forums, but admittedly, Canadian ISP's apparent endorsement fuels the fire that Westlink might just be a REAL Internet provider, when instead they are a FAKE one.


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said by Davesnothere:

Canadian ISP's apparent endorsement fuels the fire that Westlink might just be a REAL Internet provider, when instead they are a FAKE one.

And it may not be an endorsement. But you're right, it's an apparent one. CanadianISP argued the legalities before, but I am not sure if he/or she has consulted an actual attorney re: potential liabilities. If I were bilked out of some money by Johnnie (such as if I had a recent lobotomy) it might occur to me to sue everyone in a country mile, including the ISP listing service that listed the company that was in NO WAY EVER, an actual ISP.
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Yes, IMNSHO, Canadian ISP has become an unwitting catalyst/accessory to the unfortunate financial fate which has been and continues to be befalling honest trusting consumers in this particular series of instances.

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For what it's worth, Cable Gator appeared on the CCTS website's partners page, add them to your list of people/companies to sue
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Has Westlink been listed at CCTS ?

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meant this as a reply to Davesnothere, donno why it has Ian at the top.

not yet.


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said by Ian:

Perhaps. But then again, my question stands. Does Canadianisp perform any checks at all? If the answer is no, then it stands to reason that any fraudsters pretending to be an an ISP (like John Banks or whatever) would list themselves there for google reasons. So if the answer is no, is such a listing service, useful, or harmful?

He was called out in the other topic as well. Check it out. He even replied.

But to answer your question, no his site is about as useful as tits on a bull. It's meant for spam. Maybe he gets a cut? Who knows.. He doesn't really give a damn and lets anything and anyone spam on it. But he will delete anyone who points out they are a scam, as we saw.


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said by Ian:

Covered in another thread here, at length.

But I think it deserves its own thread for Google searches....

 
And it is working already !

Search for 'WestLink Cable' and Google ranks THIS thread at #6, higher than the longer thread.


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said by Davesnothere:

said by Ian:

Covered in another thread here, at length. But I think it deserves its own thread for google searches....

 
And it is working already !

Search for 'WestLink Cable' and Google ranks #6, higher than the longer thread.

woot! Send money to me for all your SEO needs.
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Incidentally, it now looks like Zendesk is an unwitting facilitator of the scam too. A fairly reputable company is about to get tarnished.


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Should we do our civic duty and warn them directly too ?


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said by Davesnothere:

 
Should we do our civic duty and warn them directly too ?

I emailed them : support@zendesk.com with links to the longer thread.

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here's another we can rat out, »b6.caspio.com/dp.asp?AppKey=5733···4cf4ab03

it's Westlink's Service Application. *presses the abuse button at bottom*
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What ISP has a poorly-written website made using a GoDaddy template and their WYSIWYG editor, and is hosted there? Its stock images get pulled from nebula.wsimg.com.

They can't even come up with a list of channels - how's that for a supposed cable provider?

Their privacy policy & terms of use used to go to a formstack.com site but those URLs are now rejected by the site.

Their support form goes to sitesupport.websitetonight.com -- again, most competent ISPs can host their own forms.
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So by what you have posted, my company is a scam? because we do not use our own IP Space but use our partner's IPs??? And we are small as well but only service business 2 business.

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said by trog:

Remember none of us actually have any real proof on the operations of Westlink Cable. Sure, we can all infer from the fact we never see any tangible proof of their business, but the same could be said for many other small ISPs as well.

Trog, please be sure to read this:

said by donkey:

Many people on many occasions have asked WestLink for tangible proof, even a shred of proof as to their legitimacy, and at each turn they have lied, ignored, fabricated evidence and denied these requests.

So until they can show proof, WESTLINK IS A SCAM!


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said by Ian:

And it may not be an endorsement. But you're right, it's an apparent one. CanadianISP argued the legalities before, but I am not sure if he/or she has consulted an actual attorney re: potential liabilities. If I were bilked out of some money by Johnnie (such as if I had a recent lobotomy) it might occur to me to sue everyone in a country mile, including the ISP listing service that listed the company that was in NO WAY EVER, an actual ISP.

If you could validate that CanadianISP had notice they were a fraud or potential fraud and they didn't do their due diligence to establish their legitimacy their passive acceptance would make a class action viable. If I were CanadianISP I would be on the horn to their litigators.

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I am fully aware of that; I have been reading all the postings on this. All I am saying is we do need to be somewhat careful. For instance, has any member actually signed up for service and seen what happens?

If we had real tangible proof of a scam it would be one thing.


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So by what you have posted, my company is a scam? because we do not use our own IP Space but use our partner's IPs??? And we are small as well but only service business 2 business.

 
You make an interesting point, but I suspect that your company has other redeeming qualities, such as actually providing service to those who give you money for it, and I think that you know that we are not talking about you here.

We have not named your company either, and I can see from your DSLR profile page that you do not seem to be hiding anything which we would regard as important.

If you should be interested enough in what we are doing to read the longer thread linked in the OP, it will quickly become clear who we are targeting.

Cheers !

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Got an extra $50 lying around? Sign up for their "internet service" and document how it goes.
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said by peterboro:

said by Ian:

And it may not be an endorsement. But you're right, it's an apparent one. CanadianISP argued the legalities before, but I am not sure if he/or she has consulted an actual attorney re: potential liabilities. If I were bilked out of some money by Johnnie (such as if I had a recent lobotomy) it might occur to me to sue everyone in a country mile, including the ISP listing service that listed the company that was in NO WAY EVER, an actual ISP.

If you could validate that CanadianISP had notice they were a fraud or potential fraud and they didn't do their due diligence to establish their legitimacy their passive acceptance would make a class action viable. If I were CanadianISP I would be on the horn to their litigators.

Given that CanadianISP is a member, and poster on this very topic, it would be a VERY short bridge to follow.

That was my point. CISP, I get it that you have a site about Canadian ISPs. However if to be listed as one consists of "guy gave me 10$", you'll understand if we consider the data worthless.
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So there is a fee involved with listing your ISP op at CISP ?


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said by Davesnothere:

 
So there is a fee involved with listing your ISP op at CISP ?

I have no idea. The 10$ figure was rhetorical.


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Good to know, as I was considering seeking a listing there for my yet-to-be-named company, to see what CISP's process is.

'Davesnothere Communications' !

Yes, that kinda has a ring to it.