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It was a fun run with you all over the weekend, going strong at level 32 Mastermind, double medpack, crowd control and insta rez are really helpful when shit hits the fan.

We got Diamond Store pretty good by now, we need a resident ghost for those stealthy missions, but I've been reading that MAstermind/Ghost is pretty good at it so when I get enough levels/Money I will branch towards it.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

MPRMH is my resident ghost and metal/Arch resident tech
Usually you try to cap the tree your in, or at most put entry level points into the other trees.

The best Ghost is a Mastermind. I've gotten all the good stuff out of the engineer, so I've been going down the ghost tree.

I will probably screw around with a Tech/Ghost setup, specializing more on breaking into places. There's a bigger benefit for that on the multi-day runs but not much on the stores that are "on farm" like Diamond Store.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK

Agree with both of you MPRMH is an awesome ghost too. I need to start doing some solo stuff to learn the buildings from inside and to locate the NPCs so I can start helping on those sneaky missions.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

It will be awhile, but once I finish off what I want out of the enforcer tree I will likely go deeper into ghost. Reducing movement penalty+bag interaction speed+super throws will be awesome.

I think my build worked out to 58 Enforcer 46 ghost, and 7 in the other 2.

Oh we are doing frame a frame... ok MPRMH you do your thing, I'll sleep.

Frame a frame and oil rig should be easier with a Mastermind, since you can take more guards down and use their pagers.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

I haven't researched this game at all, is there a single player campaign also with it?

There is an offline mode where you can do heists locally.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

Campaign? No there is no storyline per se, just story for each individual heist . It really is best as a multiplayer co-op.

Big Oil is paying out huge in $$$ and XP. I'm picking up a full level even in the 50's. I think it was something like 60k+ XP and upwards of 1mill on pay out.

Don't go into that map unless you know someone who can carry you or until you read the guides. You've got to actually think on that map. I was able to run the second day on full stealth with Energy and a buddy of mine at work. It was pretty sweet.

Sweet enough to consider going Mastermind.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK

Actually I think it is almost 80k if nto more in XP and pays out a cool half mil with overkill ~340 on hard. If we can get stealthing the first day down, it would be super easy.

Luckily we know how to find the engines now without a problem which can make recovering from when shit hits the fan. Although we lucked out in being able to see the servers in that one upstairs room.

The multi-day ones have definately been buffed to make them worth it.

Ranger, the guy I work with, said that he was able to almost completely do Day 1 stealth. I think the dominator is required and quite a bit of patience.

I also got some advice on Dominator so I don't get handcuffed again, haha.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK

Update 13 has made judging weapons and concelment a lot easier. There are clear benefits to dressing and equipping for stealath rather than just running heavy.

The number of specials that spawn in the same wave seems much higher, but at the same time armor seems more effective so it balances out somewhat. XP bonuses for the harder difficulties are much higher now, while pay is only slightly higher.

Good games last night, in trying out different mission stealthing. Even though we had a control freak I still feel the tellers in the bank need to die for pressing that fucking alarm too many times.

Hey man thanks again for gifting the game. Getting 31 levels in one night was crazy.

This was going to be my suggestion, but you may or may not want to wait a bit until level 65-70. Just don't put anything further into the tree so you don't waste as much money before respeccing.

I really like this idea, I am not sure how the coverted AI would work with the team.

DO you think only one point or going for ace?
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

What are your thoughts on pistol messiah?

I feel that it could be good for those times when everybody is bleeding on the floor but not quite sure how that 1 shot would be effective.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

I like your choices on the rest of the trees that is a great starting point for when I get to those levels, thanks for the link.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

You could prob modify it if you are running with our group as we have two Techs with c4 and drill upgrades.

You are right, I think the class we need more is a Ghost type since PRMH is not always on with us.

MM/Ghost/Enforcer sounds like a good idea.
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"I just wanted chili" - Krisnatharok

We have been trying to maximize stealth. Each play style is different considering not much money is spent to bring the trees up to level 3-4 Jobbie can play around with what works best for him.

Valid points though.