 Doonz join:2010-11-27 Beaumont, AB | [AB] Whats Next? So what does shaw Have planned for Internet in the next 5 years? |
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 | Hopefully rolling out the upgrades they promised to everyone 2 years ago...
...and yes, I know you're one of the select few that has already been lucky enough to benefit from said upgrades... |
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| its actually hilarious, most people r waiting just for the ability to get more then 5mbps when you average highest tear american cable or fiber connection is between 10-100mbps up, we are still waiting to get more then 5, hell comcast will probably be giving 40 or 50 up on docsis 3.1 before shaw can even give me or other customers 15, shaw must be the worst cable provider for upload in the country -- Shaw Broadband 100/5 - Cisco DPC3825 - Asus RT-AC66U |
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 kevinds join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:1 | In this country, until Telus offered their 50/10 plan, Shaw was one of the highest upload speeds, to the most people, Bell had 10 up for a while too, but has less internet customers (last I checked).
So yeah, hopefully Shaw gets that upgraded soon. -- Yes, I am not employed and looking for IT work. Have passport, will travel. |
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 Doonz join:2010-11-27 Beaumont, AB | reply to Doonz
I Guess I shoulda specified No troll post..
Im running 250/15 full speed anytime of the day.
Just curious to see what things are on the Roadmap |
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 Shaw_AlexOfficial Shaw Rep join:2010-12-16 kudos:1 | reply to Doonz
While I don't have any information on a specific roadmap, I can tell you that Shaw Go WiFi is certainly an area that we will be expanding. You will continue to see more and more WiFi Spots popping up and improved hand-off between zones.
I've worked for Shaw for 5 years now and in that time I have seen significant changes to the technology and company. We launched Shaw Phone, started building mobile applications, introduced way more HD and OnDemand content, and have launched Gigabit internet in pocket areas.
I'm really excited as both an employee and customer for what is coming down the pipeline. |
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| i dont know about other people or what the technical term for "launching" something is but im pretty sure running gigabit fiber trials to VERY SELECT AMOUNT OF AREAS, with VERY FEW customers, but i wouldnt say that shaw has launched anything but TRIALS for technology they might be forced to implement in the next 5-7 years (because fiber is inevitably the future), and im pretty sure both telus and shaw have been able to do custom 1gbps fiber pulls for a long while now anyway, if gigabit internet were launched that means anyone in those areas could sign up, could u tell me those areas plz Alex.
also kevinds, just because shaw might have had slightly comparible upload before, doesnt make it cool to sit behind while everyone passes them if u ask me, especially considering they could give 95% of bb50 or bb100 users upgraded upload without problems.
telus 50/10 bell 50/10 start.ca 50/10 rogers 45/4 (much better then 50/3) and rogers 150/10 novus 50/10
the list goes on and on... its harder to find canadian providers with worse download/upload ratios then shaw
50/10 seems very common in the us and canada, yet shaw doesnt even have plans to match that , there still worrying about getting everyone on 50/3 to 50/5, thats a joke to me, and its sad cause there loosing more money to telus on the daily because of it -- Shaw Broadband 100/5 - Cisco DPC3825 - Asus RT-AC66U |
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 brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON | reply to kevinds
said by kevinds:In this country, until Telus offered their 50/10 plan, Shaw was one of the highest upload speeds, to the most people, Bell had 10 up for a while too, but has less internet customers (last I checked).
So yeah, hopefully Shaw gets that upgraded soon. That's not saying much. The upgraded upload speeds are still not very good. The providers are just bringing them into the realm of being reasonable as a start. |
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1 recommendation | reply to Doonz
Rolling out IPv6 support. |
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 kevinds join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:1
1 recommendation | That was ment more at the comment about catching up with the rest of the country... But yes, still too slow
Yeah, I can see IPv6 being on the roadmap  -- Yes, I am not employed and looking for IT work. Have passport, will travel. |
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 tlhIngan join:2002-07-08 Richmond, BC kudos:1 | reply to Doonz
All those great upload speeds... though you wonder - how much quota do they give you? 50/10 is pointless if they cap you at 100GB and then UBB you to death.... |
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| said by tlhIngan:All those great upload speeds... though you wonder - how much quota do they give you? 50/10 is pointless if they cap you at 100GB and then UBB you to death.... I don't know. Im a very heavy user Both up and Down. So I pay for the Unmetered 250/15 plan.
I coulda paid less then complain about usage and how unfair it is. But 140/mnth Unmetered is acceptable for me to pay
Yeah I have notice a ton more wifi spots thats pretty sweet. Ive always gotten really good speeds when i've connected. |
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said by Connor M:... telus 50/10 bell 50/10 start.ca 50/10 rogers 45/4 (much better then 50/3) and rogers 150/10 novus 50/10 ... 50/10 seems very common in the us and canada, yet shaw doesnt even have plans to match that , there still worrying about getting everyone on 50/3 to 50/5, thats a joke to me, and its sad cause there loosing more money to telus on the daily because of it If you're going to cherry-pick services with limited deployment you need to include the 250/15 service Shaw offers, regardless of whether you can personally subscribe to it. |
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| ?? im not talking about how much upload or download, im talking about up/down ratio, in wich the 250/15 has almost the same 5% ratio all of shaws other shity plans have, and while everyone is at 20% up to down, shaw is struggling to get most customers upto the 10% mark -- Shaw Broadband 100/5 - Cisco DPC3825 - Asus RT-AC66U |
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 kevinds join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:1 | reply to Connor M
I like Novus' 50/50 plan... Their 300/300 or 100/100 would be fun though... |
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Ridiculous prices for low speeds Major gouging on such services as 250MBit per sec as usual Major Congestion Lower Caps |
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I think the next step is fiber, which Shaw is so far behind on it's a joke. Just doing GBit trials in a couple of buildings doesn't count. It seems Shaw can't even upgrade their network fast enough for their 250mbps upgrades let alone their upload promises. What's next for Shaw? ....who knows....only Shaw can dig their own grave. |
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dont know where you get the major congestion stat from but i have never suffered from congestion once in the 7 months ive been with shaw, and i am on there highest available plan in my area, 100/5, on my node shaw has about 228/60 available so im getting over 1/3 of DL and not even 1/12th of the upload.
not to mention i cant even use over 60% of my provisioned upload without crippling my connection for any program or game that relies on real-time communication
also telus lower speed prices arent looking any better lately.... aswell as telus cut there caps and there barely better if at all, neither companies heavily enforce caps, but in congested areas i guess it is possible to be cutoff on shaw while i havnt heard or such on telus
just checked telus 50 and shaw 50 are both 400gb and both 80 a month (shaw is 75 but going to 80 sept 1st i believe) and shaw has no contract and first month discount telus 6 has 100GB shaw 10 has 125GB both services are 50 a month but shaw has first month discount and no contract.. telus 15 has 150GB, shaw 20 has 200GB, both 55 a month, shaw has first month discount and no contract highspeed 25 is same deal as all the rest, same price same cap so though shaw isnt beating telus's prices, saying there lower speeds have rediculous prices makes 0 sense to me, espeically since those lower plans r DSL or ASDL and DOCSIS 3 is much superior as long as it worst like its suppose to (no congestion)
cant believe i just defended shaw...... -- Shaw Broadband 100/5 - Cisco DPC3825 - Asus RT-AC66U |
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 | DOCSIS 3.1 with support capacities of at least 10Gbit/s downstream and 1Gbit/s upstream. Who needs expensive fibre when that's a couple years away. |
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 brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON | By the time 2016 rolls around the MSOs will be dying to roll out DOCSIS 3.1. Even with heavy node splitting I can see them needing it badly by then. But it'll cost a lot of money to upgrade. |
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said by Doonz:So what does shaw Have planned for Internet in the next 5 years? Rate hikes semi-annually, consecutively. |
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i highly doubt most docsis 3 systems will not top GPON ping times or speeds for a while, all GPON systems are capable of 2.5gbps down and 1.25gbps up, google fiber is already deciding to let people tap into 1gbps of that, up and down, thats only enough upload for 1.25 houses using it at full capacity lol, while verizon has just bumped there max to 500/100, and telus is only offering 50/10, on the same gpon, bell is offering 175/175, and i think rogers is doing symmetrical 250 aswell now, alot of original fios customers are still on BPON waiting to be upgraded, bpon is only capable of 622mbps down and 155mbps up, i believe verizon was the only provider to get into fiber optics early enough to use BPON -- Shaw Broadband 100/5 - Cisco DPC3825 - Asus RT-AC66U |
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said by brad:But it'll cost a lot of money to upgrade. Who cares they have a monopoly so they are guaranteed a return on the capital expense. That is of course unless the feds start letting in some foreign competition like they are doing now with RF spectrum. |
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 | Or maybe the Feds could start a crown corporation to compete and roll out their own infrastructure .... oh wait they already rolled out the infrastructure which Bell Telus shaw and Rogers currently use. Ok then expropriate it then lol |
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 kevinds join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:1 | I wouldn't be opposed to this.
Municipalities deploying the communications network, and then which ever provider wants to provide service, uses the lines.
Similar to electicity and gas in some proviences.
-This however is getting off topic -- Yes, I am not employed and looking for IT work. Have passport, will travel. |
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 brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON | reply to Mustafa
said by Mustafa:Who cares they have a monopoly so they are guaranteed a return on the capital expense. That is of course unless the feds start letting in some foreign competition like they are doing now with RF spectrum. The company does when they have to make a choice as to whether to continue with coax and DOCSIS or roll out fiber. |
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said by kevinds:I wouldn't be opposed to this.
Municipalities deploying the communications network, and then which ever provider wants to provide service, uses the lines.
Similar to electicity and gas in some proviences.
-This however is getting off topic Since I am the topic creator I say Its a good discussion
I was just curious to see it 500mbit was on the horizon or 1gbit in a larger scale. |
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| well i dont see anything above 250 being a good idea on docsis 3, and in most areas shaw still hasnt even full finished upgrading to docsis 3 technology (8 down channels , 4 up channels ), next step is docsis 3.1 or fiber for anything above 250 if you ask me, the upload still has a long way to go before its at the max potential of docsis 3 aswell, optimum online customers get 38mbps down on just 2 upstream channels at 6.4, (60mbps total) shaw uses 4 3.2 channels for upstream (Same 60mbps total)
so the only improvement you will see on 250 or lower shaw plans could be upload or reliability, for more download then 250 fiber or docsis 3 -- Shaw Broadband 100/5 - Cisco DPC3825 - Asus RT-AC66U |
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 kevinds join:2003-05-01 Calgary, AB kudos:1 | reply to Doonz
Sounds good... I wasn't sure that a town/city providing the last-mile was on Shaw's roadmap  -- Yes, I am not employed and looking for IT work. Have passport, will travel. |
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 brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON | reply to Connor M
said by Connor M:well i dont see anything above 250 being a good idea on docsis 3, and in most areas shaw still hasnt even full finished upgrading to docsis 3 technology (8 down channels , 4 up channels ), next step is docsis 3.1 or fiber for anything above 250 if you ask me, the upload still has a long way to go before its at the max potential of docsis 3 aswell, optimum online customers get 38mbps down on just 2 upstream channels at 6.4, (60mbps total) shaw uses 4 3.2 channels for upstream (Same 60mbps total)
so the only improvement you will see on 250 or lower shaw plans could be upload or reliability, for more download then 250 fiber or docsis 3 Shaw still has quite a ways to go before they're done with DOCSIS 3.0. They can roll out more downstream channels and offer faster download speeds. Rogers is working towards this now. They could offer speed tiers in the 300 - 500Mbps range. Upstream on the other hand is close to hitting the brick wall for DOCSIS 3.0. The only wiggle room they have is through node splits. |
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