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El Quintron
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New Car required Diesel Yay or Nay?

I'm in the market for a new car, and coming from a car that requires premium gas, I'm leaning in the opposite direction and considering a car that takes diesel.

I really have no idea what car I'm buying right now, but I'm wondering what y'all think of diesel as a starting point.
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I think you should find a car that works for you first and then worry about fuel type later. I don't know about Ontario, but diesel prices aren't that much cheaper than regular fuel in Montreal, certainly not enough to justify buying a different car over.
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there aren't a lot of diesel cars available, but if you find something you like, and is offered in a diesel, it can be nice...diesel engines have much more torque, so they generally offer a much more rewarding driving experience (get up and go, without having to rev the piss out of the engine)...regular cars offered now would be most of VWs line-up (Golf, Jetta, Passat and i think the Beetle as well) and Chevrolet has recently launched their Cruze Diesel which is also quite decent...rumours have more diesels coming with Mazda launching one likely next year...Ford and Hyundai/Kia also have some great diesel products, but don't currently offer them in North America (whether that will change in the future, i'm not sure)...if you are looking upscale, Mercedes and Audi offer some diesel models as well...BMW did too, but not sure if they still do (the 335d wasn't a big seller).
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There is a couple more things to consider when looking at diesel vs. gasoline.

1. ) Fuel economy, while the price of diesel is similar to gasoline; your diesel will run longer on a tank which means fewer fillups.
2. ) DEF - Diesel emissions fluid is an added cost to all modern diesels, you can refil yourself if you are handy.
3. ) Resale value and longevity, my old work truck was a diesel sprinter with 395'000 when i had to return it; it still ran amazing.
4. ) Oil changes, as diesel is self lubricating the oil change intervals are massive compared to a gasoline car.
5. Loyalty programs often consider diesel to be equal to 93 for points earnings.
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In regards to the VW line. Don't go Jetta. Thoroughly checked this one out and the consensus is that it's plagued with electrical issues. Has been for years and still not fully addressed. Unless of course if it's the type of thing you plan to trade in within 5 years, still under warranty, and then get a new one again. If this is your type (which is just like my wife who never keeps a car more than 4 years) then go for it. But it's also gutless. You will swear every time you have a little hill to go over.

I haven't heard of the electrical problems with the golf or passat, but I haven't really looked into it all that much. But if that's within your price range, check them out.


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said by Hm :

In regards to the VW line. Don't go Jetta. Thoroughly checked this one out and the consensus is that it's plagued with electrical issues. Has been for years and still not fully addressed. Unless of course if it's the type of thing you plan to trade in within 5 years, still under warranty, and then get a new one again. If this is your type (which is just like my wife who never keeps a car more than 4 years) then go for it. But it's also gutless. You will swear every time you have a little hill to go over.

I haven't heard of the electrical problems with the golf or passat, but I haven't really looked into it all that much. But if that's within your price range, check them out.

I have an 06 jetta 2.0T (MKV) that takes 94 octane and can confirm some issues but not electrical. One thing most people don't realize about these cars is the cam followers and the need to constantly maintain these cars. Other than a few minute issues with the car, the VW line even the jetta is a solid car, and though mine is modified it drives like mad and great on fuel even at 94 octane.

edit: I should say when i state "constantly maintain" it doesn't mean in the shop every week. Just can't let it sit around and be lazy and say i'll take it next month. They require maintenance and all VW's are known to chew oil


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said by Guspaz:

I don't know about Ontario, but diesel prices aren't that much cheaper than regular fuel in Montreal, certainly not enough to justify buying a different car over.

Even if diesel cost more per liter you'd still win out, because you get much higher mileage from a liter of diesel than you do from a liter of gas.

For the record, I don't have a choice in getting car ATM, the one I was using got written off, and my family/obligations require two cars, the written off car did take premium gas, and the first thing I'm doing this time around is getting a car that doesn't require it.

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said by I_H8_Spam:
There is a couple more things to consider when looking at diesel vs. gasoline.

2. ) DEF - Diesel emissions fluid is an added cost to all modern diesels, you can refil yourself if you are handy.

most new smaller cars don't require the additive...it is usually only required on the larger vehicles.

for example, the additive isn't required in the VW Golf, Jetta or (maybe) Passat, but is required in the larger Toureg (and possibly the Passat, not sure about that one).

the additive is required on all Mercedes diesels, but they are all larger and heavier vehicles...as well, the slight extra cost for the additive isn't a big deal on a much more expensive car, and the extra cost for additive is simply money you aren't having to spend on "Premium" gas anyway, so it is likely a wash.
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said by El Quintron:

I'm in the market for a new car, and coming from a car that requires premium gas, I'm leaning in the opposite direction and considering a car that takes diesel.

I really have no idea what car I'm buying right now, but I'm wondering what y'all think of diesel as a starting point.

Join me and buy a Tesla. Maybe we can get a 'group buy' going and save some money.


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Older guy I know recently bought a golf tdi, claims to get over 1000km/tank.
You cannot get that mileage with reg fuel engine. I can get (tops) ~500km on a tank with my civic when mostly highway driving.
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said by El Quintron:

For the record, I don't have a choice in getting car ATM, the one I was using got written off, and my family/obligations require two cars, the written off car did take premium gas, and the first thing I'm doing this time around is getting a car that doesn't require it.

EQ

i am not 100% certain, as i haven't been watching the price of diesel (i don't have a diesel car), but from what i have heard recently, diesel is about 10c/liter cheaper than gas right now...Premium gas is usually 12-15c/liter more than regular gas...so not only is diesel about 25c/liter cheaper than Premium grade gas, you get more kms out of a tank because of its increased efficiency (higher energy output).

my parents have a Jetta TDi Wagon...the oil changes are more money ($105 at the dealership, including topping up other fluids and inspections, tire rotation, etc), but it only needs to be done every 20,000kms (they use a special synthetic blend)...so, most regular cars have to be done about every 5-8,000 kms at $40/each, so the REAL cost isn't really that bad...people often go "$100 oil changes, OUCH!", without realizing they aren't needed nearly as often.
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said by MaynardKrebs:

Join me and buy a Tesla. Maybe we can get a 'group buy' going and save some money.

Good news for you! There's a deal on one for sale on Crown Assets right now: »www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?snc=···erm-clos


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I'd start by figuring out (quickly, from the sounds of things) what you want/need in a vehicle...

Once that list is together; if it's available in a diesel, even better.

There's a very small list of cars available in diesel in Canada (The VW's, certain MB's, and a Chev Cruze) - also a few trucks, but typically 3/4t and larger, only.

What do you need in a set of wheels? What do you WANT (different than needs) and what's your budget?

My Dad's been rolling in Diesel VW's for years; a golf that he retired at 600,000k - a Jetta that lost to a deer at 300,000, and a '13 Jetta TDI now. Mileage is great, maintenance is fine; as long as you keep up on it - things like timing belts need to be done at the recommend intervals, or it gets expensive fast.

I'd have loved to get a diesel in my last truck, but I couldn't justify a 3/4t or 1t - and no one offers a 1/2t with a diesel (yet - although rumours of both Dodge and Ford launching them 'soon' have been swirling)


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reply to El Quintron
it's a little old now (2 years ago), but here was a "First Drive" of the Passat TDi was relaunched:

»www.autos.ca/first-drives/first-···t/?all=1


LazMan
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said by EUS:

Older guy I know recently bought a golf tdi, claims to get over 1000km/tank.
You cannot get that mileage with reg fuel engine. I can get (tops) ~500km on a tank with my civic when mostly highway driving.

My Dad drives a '13 Jetta TDI - and 1000k out of a tank is pretty standard for him, as well.

His previous car (also a Jetta TDI) was identical to my mom's Jetta (except hers is a gasser) - and he routinely got 2-300 k more out of a tank then she did.


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First class waste of taxpayers money right there.


EUS
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Better torque, better mileage, longer lasting engine, yep, next car for me will be a diesel.
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El Quintron
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Wow!

This is excellent stuff to chew on for non-car people like me.
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said by EUS:

You cannot get that mileage with reg fuel engine. I can get (tops) ~500km on a tank with my civic when mostly highway driving.

Really!? My '99 Civic Si (45-ish litre tank) regularly got 600-700km per tank.


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Wow, I can't get close to that.
'08 civic, reg fuel, 90% highway driving @ 109km/h, no passengers, and I can maybe 7.5l/100km
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First class waste of taxpayers money right there.

Ya, God forbid they'd test cars to make sure they comply with the mandatory safety standards before allowing them to be sold in Canada and validated new standards to make sure they're capable of being met...


EUS
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If you decide on diesel, buy gloves for fill ups.


Tx
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That smell sticks to you even after 5 attempts to wash your hands. Absolutely gross


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Written off due to flooding?


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said by EUS:

If you decide on diesel, buy gloves for fill ups.

I just use a piece of paper towel to prevent direct skin contact with the diesel filler nozzel. Then use the same to wipe any drops which splashed around the filler neck area.


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said by IamGimli:

said by Thane_Bitter:

First class waste of taxpayers money right there.

Ya, God forbid they'd test cars to make sure they comply with the mandatory safety standards before allowing them to be sold in Canada and validated new standards to make sure they're capable of being met...

Lease it, make the manufactures provide a loaner car, if they want to sell it up here make them foot the bill. I don't see a scratch on it, rather hard to test the safety features with out smashing up the car.


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Written off due to flooding?

Collision.
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said by LazMan:

I'd have loved to get a diesel in my last truck, but I couldn't justify a 3/4t or 1t - and no one offers a 1/2t with a diesel (yet - although rumours of both Dodge and Ford launching them 'soon' have been swirling)

Dodge will have the Ram 1500 with a 3.0L V6 diesel. It's confirmed, the same engine is in the Grand Cherokee as well.
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said by EUS:

If you decide on diesel, buy gloves for fill ups.

i haven't heard of that, and if anyone would complain about it, it would be my parents.

when i was younger, i worked at several gas stations and don't recall any issues with it then either...if you get gasoline on your hands, it stinks too.
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LazMan
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said by HiVolt:

Dodge will have the Ram 1500 with a 3.0L V6 diesel. It's confirmed, the same engine is in the Grand Cherokee as well.

Ford was supposed to release an F150 with the 4.4l straight 6 diesel they use in Europe in the 2012 model year... And then it just disappeared.

If Dodge does it, that's awesome (although too bad it's a Dodge...) - but until I see one on the showroom floor, I'll be skeptical.