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AT&T's 'Next Gen' Apartment U-verse Expansion: 24 Mbps → Why not?

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elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA	elray Member 2013-Aug-23 4:54 pm Why not? The public is, at best, using their broadband to stream Netflix ... at 2Mbps. How many streams might you have running simultaneously in a apartment? Two? Just because a very small minority of consumers go out of their way to prove that they can overload a pipe doesn't mean industry has to deliver unlimited Gigabit feeds for them. AT&T may well be realizing that the last 1000 feet [at other MDU builds] often will still be copper, i.e. premise-based VDSL. 24Mbps gives them a little breathing room, both for HDTV, and to roll out "upgrades" down the road.
	actions · 2013-Aug-23 4:54 pm ·

34764170 (banned) join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON	34764170 (banned) Member 2013-Aug-23 7:10 pm said by elray: Just because a very small minority of consumers go out of their way to prove that they can overload a pipe doesn't mean industry has to deliver unlimited Gigabit feeds for them. AT&T may well be realizing that the last 1000 feet [at other MDU builds] often will still be copper, i.e. premise-based VDSL. 24Mbps gives them a little breathing room, both for HDTV, and to roll out "upgrades" down the road. It is not difficult at all for anyone to overload a connection when it is so slow. There is a huge difference between GigE and pathetic 24Mbps especially when its also being shared for IPTV service. They need something faster so bad. 24Mbps is already capacity constrained for a lot of their customers. They've needed to roll out this new 45Mb tier for many years. AT&T is so slow moving.
	actions · 2013-Aug-23 7:10 pm ·
TBBroadband join:2012-10-26 Fremont, OH	TBBroadband Member 2013-Aug-23 8:26 pm The TV portion is designed to NOT be affected and if it is its by very little. TV and phone get special treatment over regular internet. It goes; Phone, TV and then Internet.
	actions · 2013-Aug-23 8:26 pm ·
34764170 (banned) join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON	34764170 (banned) Member 2013-Aug-23 9:51 pm Exactly. Leaving very little left for Internet. People using FiOS or Cable don't have to sacrifice things like the number of HD streams or Internet speeds like they do with AT&T's capacity constrained service. I have no problem with the network architecture from AT&T but they need a much faster pipe so it isn't a bottleneck as it is now.
	actions · 2013-Aug-23 9:51 pm ·
TBBroadband join:2012-10-26 Fremont, OH	TBBroadband Member 2013-Aug-23 11:30 pm It actually still gives plenty of room for internet. ATT uses much of the connection beyond the 24megs for TV. You must not know how U-Verse fully works and or never used it.
	actions · 2013-Aug-23 11:30 pm ·
motorola870 join:2008-12-07 Arlington, TX	motorola870 Member 2013-Aug-24 1:45 am said by TBBroadband: It actually still gives plenty of room for internet. ATT uses much of the connection beyond the 24megs for TV. You must not know how U-Verse fully works and or never used it. hmm I have observed Uverse in person and no there isn't beyond 24Mbps used for TV. Right now must users are capped at the top profile of 32/5 over a single pair if lucky if not pair bonded. I have noticed if you start using more and more streams on your TV 3HD/1SD the internet will slow down to make room for the TV usage. I qualify for the 24Mbps over a single pair I believe as I was able to order it when it first came out. I don't have it though as I have seen all of the issues with uverse due to poor copper. I know that the infrastructure where I am was build in the 1970s telephone wise cable didn't come till the 80s. I have the at&t ped in my backyard and it is copper for sure. I would shocked if my area soon qualifies for the 45Mbps tier I am about 500-1500 feet from the VRAD depending on how the cable is routed. I live 3 houses down one way and then turn on another street and about 6 houses down from there is the junction box for legacy At&t box and the VRAD for Uverse the VRAD was put in during the begging of 2008. I know that when the VRAD was put in I magically was able to get 6Mbps DSL over POTS non Uverse.
	actions · 2013-Aug-24 1:45 am ·
34764170 (banned) join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON	34764170 (banned) to TBBroadband Member 2013-Aug-24 10:33 pm to TBBroadband said by TBBroadband: It actually still gives plenty of room for internet. ATT uses much of the connection beyond the 24megs for TV. You must not know how U-Verse fully works and or never used it. 12Mbps is not plenty of room. I very much know how it works. You're the one that does not understand how it works.
	actions · 2013-Aug-24 10:33 pm ·
34764170	34764170 (banned) to elray Member 2013-Aug-24 10:40 pm to elray said by elray: The public is, at best, using their broadband to stream Netflix ... at 2Mbps. How many streams might you have running simultaneously in a apartment? Two? Just because a very small minority of consumers go out of their way to prove that they can overload a pipe doesn't mean industry has to deliver unlimited Gigabit feeds for them. AT&T may well be realizing that the last 1000 feet [at other MDU builds] often will still be copper, i.e. premise-based VDSL. 24Mbps gives them a little breathing room, both for HDTV, and to roll out "upgrades" down the road. 2Mbps? Do some research. Netflix streams are between 5 - 7Mbps. The whole world is not a single person living in an apartment either. Avg joes have no problem maxing out a 12Mbps connection. It's far from a small minority. Faster speeds doesn't mean going from 12Mbps to GigE. There is a range in between. 24Mbps doesn't provide any room for growth. Customers already have issues with the limited number of streams their service can provide and the slow connection speeds.
	actions · 2013-Aug-24 10:40 pm ·

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