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Re: New 'toolbar' here at dslr !

i really hate IE8, but I'll take a look maybe tomorrow. Had my fill of IE8 specific investigations over the last week.

 
Thanks.

So when DO you sleep ?

I'm surprised nobody has either noticed or complained or complimented the new sticky vertical navigation. Page width reduction aside I find it more functional in every way than horizontal navigation and with a few more improvements, over time, I'm thinking it can replace horizontal entirely and be the default.

I actually like that.

I thought it already was the default (for the logged in). Post a pic or 2.

(I noticed the RSS icon/link is gone from the forum page. )

for newly created users horizontal was default, although I changed that now because they won't really know any different.

The sticky vertical means it moves up as you scroll down then stops moving at the top, while the page keeps scrolling, unless the footer reaches the bottom then it keeps moving up. You can see the same thing on news.google.com

Funny, indeed...

What exactly is different? I went to Google news and it doesn't look different but then I seldom visit Google news so maybe I don't know how it used to look as opposed to how it looks now.

I do notice that auto scroll is a little jerky now...is this why? I don't use it much here as there is not much dense reading here where auto scroll is most useful. I usually grab the vertical scroll bar with the mouse and scroll that way and that works like it always has.

Someone want to post some screenshots of the difference?
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all that is different is the vertical navigation stops moving as you are scrolling when it would normally move off the top of the visible page, thus, it is always in view.

The left nav will scroll up a little with the page, but once the top of the nav hits the top of the window it will become pinned (fixed) in position until you scroll back the other way.

Vertical space is certainly "important". However, it has limited usefulness with regard to the typical forum. As it is, I can see 2 to 4 typical posts at once, without scrolling; I can, for example, easily see all of your post without having to scroll. That's all that really matters to me--enough vertical and enough horizontal space. On the other hand, pages that are too wide become really, really annoying.

It only doesn't pin because I hadn't got around to checking if MSIE 8 would croak or stutter but it looks ok so I'll enable it for that.

by the way as you're an IE nut. Why is it that when I go to a page in IE8 (logged out), login, for example on another tab, then ask for the same URL by typing it, IE8 shows me the cached page (does not get it from the server) and I must hit reload?

I don't think other browsers do that.

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Why is it that when I go to a page in IE8 (logged out), login, for example on another tab, then ask for the same URL by typing it, IE8 shows me the cached page (does not get it from the server) and I must hit reload?

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Automatic was useful years ago when we all had dialup. It is not useful though on broadband that most of us have these days. Plus, caches are not generally useful on any browser these days. I have Firefox cache service disabled for years now and I set IE to fetch a new copy of the page every time back when I first got Road Runner in 2001.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

I wouldn't want it to load every page, just the ones that are marked not cached. And I don't want it to load when pressing BACK. That is the normal behavior for browsers.

But IE8 seems in its default form to give you a cached page when you type a URL in, if it previously visited that page, *even if the page is marked as not cacheable*

Ya I dunno Mele,Its been fine on automatic all this time so i dont bother to mess with it...

I have my cache size down the lowest I can make it: 1 Meg

HMM Justin,

Do you have a page I can try and Ill type it into my bar and see if I get a cached copy like you do? (Im curious)



EDIT:

I just went to this link

www.dslreports.com/postlist

and then typed it again and my browser RE-LOADED THE PAGE (Didnt show my a cached copy)

Log out, and close any tabs.

Open two tabs

go to www.dslreports.com/forum/sitebugs in one tab, reload if necessary, of course it is the logged out page.

in the other tab, go to the home page, then login fully, No worries right.

Now in that tab (the one you've logged in on) TYPE the URL .. www.dslreports.com/forum/sitebugs

You will probably find that it shows the cached logged out page (does not go to the server). This is wrong.

 
Let me see whether I understand all of this....

You are concerned that IE loads an older copy of a page AFTER loading a newer one, simply because it is being called by a different tab ?

Does this mean that IE tries to maintain a separate cache of each and every tab ?

Also, I did not realize that web pages could be authored to tell a browser to never cache just that particular page, on a page by page basis. - This CAN be done ? - When was the command introduced ?

I guess that I have grown accustomed to this behaviour, and instinctively reach for [F5] if anything doesn't look right.

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One thing which I have noticed on DLSR is that right after posting, when I reach the acknowledgement screen, if I do not make a choice and instead hit the [Back] button, when I reach the thread page by doing THAT, it shows me the page as it was prior to my edit - UNTIL I hit refresh.

Is that the behaviour which I would/should expect ?

I have gotten used to that too.

And what if the user was allowed to preset where they wish to go after posting, rather than to be asked each time.

For example, I might set it to always return to the current page of the current thread.

OTOH, that would nix seeing the 'Fortunes', wouldn't it ? (and I rather LIKE those)

Re: New 'toolbar' here at dslr !

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I don't know,
I notice it a lot because I go to IE8 to test something, find I'm logged out because I don't use it much and the login cookie has expired or been usurped.

I login, it takes me from dev to www which is fine. Then I type the page I wanted in dev, and find that it loads the cached page instead of asking the server for a new page.

In other browsers if you type the URL to a page, the server is _always_ contacted, if the page is marked non-cacheable. Only the back cache can give you stale pages (which is ok, from a speed perspective).

It probably doesn't hit most people because they don't type URLs they click links and probably clicking a link ( i hope ) always fetches from the server.

Nope it re-loaded the page....... (I was logged in when i re-typed it)

What do you have your IE8 set to?? (If it was set to automatic it should act like mine does)

Re: New 'toolbar' here at dslr !

Sure did notice it. I'm on my tab a lot, and it doesn't play nice with pinch to zoom. Makes the whole column travel across the screen with the zoom, thus overlapping the text in the middle of the page and making lovely word salad. At least it does on FF. But I think this is an inherent problem with pinch to zoom and those kind of columns that follow your scrolling?
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it should be disabled for touch tablets obviously your tab is not getting recognised as a touch device.

Even when my UA is set to desktop?

Edit: Interesting. The Maxthon browser has a 'No UA' setting, and now it doesn't go traveling across the screen. I guess I can still have my desktop view and avoidbthe word salad.
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wait I was thinking about the pinned vertical nav - that does get disabled because it is actually impossible to do at least on mobile safari.

but the toolbar is still fixed at the top on touch devices.

Yes when you pinch to zoom in, it does break free of being pinned that's actually just a "problem" with mobile browsers and fixed position divs, they really don't know what to do with them.

it is most visible on a phone: if you must use zoom, it can really get in the way. On the other hand the point of the mobile view is you don't really have to use zoom that much.

Thats's what I thought. Though check the edit to my previous post if you haven't already...

but with no UA it is not pinned anymore, right? just a strip at the top of the page?

I can't speak for your droid but on the ipad the way it moves when you zoom, isn't a problem - there is no sailing or anything weird. It does zoom in and therefore starts to leave the top and sides of the page but it is sort of natural not annoying.

edit: I can disable pinned bar if I see "Android" in the UA string, would that be better?