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sick of it

@telus.net

[BC] Do bother with Telus

Awhile ago Telus set up a promotional table in the lobby of the condo I live in and as a result many people in the building took their offer. One year later and every single person that made the change regrets it. Telus hardware is crap, PVR is always cutting out and losing connection, records a program, but loses connection so only part of the program is recorded. Push the record button to record a program you want to watch later only to see a message that says PVR is offline so you must spend 15 minutes screwing with the PVR and many times have to reboot the router and all set up boxes. This is a regular occurrence not something that happens rarely. The internet is so freakin unstable it's maddening. Skype, online gaming is gone. I have the Optik 50 and the latency spikes are out of control and have been steadily getting worse not just for me, but for everyone I know with Telus service. The worst part of it all, when you talk to tech help they don't have a clue what your talking about, it would be nice to talk to someone at Telus that wasn't as dumb as a stick, or at least wan't pretending to be just to get rid of you. I would never recommend Telus to anyone and I will do my best at steering people away from picking Telus.



Tornado15550

join:2012-12-16
Canada

It's weird. I haven't experienced a single problem you've described. I've been with Telus for two years, and so far, it's been fairly pleasant (if you ignore the rate increases).



sick of it

@telus.net

Telus service reminds me of how it was with Shaw when they were over saturating the nodes.


Zinc64

join:2013-03-13
Vancouver, BC
reply to sick of it

Sounds like something specific to your building...if everyone else who switched is having the same problems.


Kruisey

join:2006-12-30
Vancouver, BC
reply to sick of it

I live in 100 suite apartment block some are Shaw others like me Telus.I have all services with Telus including Mobility.
The other evening I lost my picture on TV.Telus rebooted everything for me also asked me to test my internet. Everything is fine again.
I have complete confidence in this Company.Can assure you that anyone as dumb as a stick in this age of competition is not part of the Telus family


tablo

join:2011-06-30
Edmonton, AB
Reviews:
·Shaw

4 edits
reply to sick of it

The upload speed was so low before, like 0.6mbps or 0.1mbps sometimes so I couldn't even load pages properly or make Skype video calls. The download speed was around 13mbps too. I'm on Optik 50 now because they bumped me up from 15 for my usage (around 500GB). After multiple tech support calls, I'm getting the proper speed of 50/10 now, but I have to say Telus tech support really isn't helpful. I had to be transferred to various reps and explain my issue over and over again. They didn't really have a clue what I was saying either, although it's simple as not getting enough speed.
I've even had a tech that came to install 50 who actually did nothing but check the speed (35/1 at that time) with telus speed test and make sure it's above the minimum required speed.


BxB

join:2006-01-16
k1r5d6

Tablo:

You are still getting 13mbps download?? They are putting cap in torrent , down to 1.6 kbps (yes, you heard it right) . I am not a heavy torrent downloader , and I am switching service.

Telus is crap. paid for 15 Mbps package and get this. DO NOT USE TELUS!



AnonTechEDM

@telus.net

said by BxB:

Tablo:

You are still getting 13mbps download?? They are putting cap in torrent , down to 1.6 kbps (yes, you heard it right) . I am not a heavy torrent downloader , and I am switching service.

Telus is crap. paid for 15 Mbps package and get this. DO NOT USE TELUS!

WRONG.
I replied to the thread you started.
stop throwing around wild accusations that are untrue.

BxB

join:2006-01-16
k1r5d6

AnontechGuy:

As I said in the other reply , shut the hell up. This engineer had to demonstrate his knowledge on the subject before they finally admitted they do throttle my speed, so please TECH guy!


Symtex

join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:18

said by BxB:

AnontechGuy:

As I said in the other reply , shut the hell up. This engineer had to demonstrate his knowledge on the subject before they finally admitted they do throttle my speed, so please TECH guy!

first of all we DO NOT throttle traffic on TELUS. We sync your modem at higher rate than limit the speed of download/upload speed with QOS Policy.
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.

BxB

join:2006-01-16
k1r5d6

As I said in another post, you are in BC, I do not know the status / policy of Telus in BC. This is what I experience here in deadmonton. If you don't throttle speed in BC , that is fine but I am being screwed by Telus in here.

Sure I am here just to trash Telus for fun, right! I am shopping for another ISP!


Symtex

join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:18

said by BxB:

As I said in another post, you are in BC, I do not know the status / policy of Telus in BC. This is what I experience here in deadmonton. If you don't throttle speed in BC , that is fine but I am being screwed by Telus in here.

Sure I am here just to trash Telus for fun, right! I am shopping for another ISP!

Same policy across both province
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.

BxB

join:2006-01-16
k1r5d6

I work for corperation too, I know the culture. What it says on papers doesn't mean real implementations across different regions.

Nevermind this post, no point. Telus employers obviously defend their own company (until they are either laid off or get screwed by their employer).


Symtex

join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:18

said by BxB:

I work for corperation too, I know the culture. What it says on papers doesn't mean real implementations across different regions.

Nevermind this post, no point. Telus employers obviously defend their own company (until they are either laid off or get screwed by their employer).

Yes it is the same because is the same infrastructure that manage the policies and we use the same application to activate services.

note : you are no talking to some Tier 1 Assurance guy here so you know. The kudos under my name speak for itself.
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.

zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw
reply to sick of it

It's been a few years since I've been on Telus and my experience was this:

Once your up and running it's pretty good. The downside is I've rarely had a time where an installation or speed upgrade happened without problems. I've had order tickets go missing, techs not wanting to resolve problems, horriible tech support, etc..

One time in Edmonton I upgrade from 15 to 25mbs and my speed got worse. They sent out 3 techs. Each tech checked the line, said nothings wrong, and took off. Never ran a speedtest on my line or bothered to troubleshoot. By the time I got to the third tech I have him the the third degree. Have you tried this, have you tried that. It seemed they wanted to get in and out without fixing anything. That third tech must of felt bad because he went back to the CO (once it was unlocked) and tried sticking me on a different port. Problem solved. How much money would telus of saved if they gave incentives for their techs to figure this stuff out (I got the feeling they got paid by the trip, so they wanted in/out as fast as possible).


Symtex

join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:18

said by zod5000:

It's been a few years since I've been on Telus and my experience was this:

Once your up and running it's pretty good. The downside is I've rarely had a time where an installation or speed upgrade happened without problems. I've had order tickets go missing, techs not wanting to resolve problems, horriible tech support, etc..

One time in Edmonton I upgrade from 15 to 25mbs and my speed got worse. They sent out 3 techs. Each tech checked the line, said nothings wrong, and took off. Never ran a speedtest on my line or bothered to troubleshoot. By the time I got to the third tech I have him the the third degree. Have you tried this, have you tried that. It seemed they wanted to get in and out without fixing anything. That third tech must of felt bad because he went back to the CO (once it was unlocked) and tried sticking me on a different port. Problem solved. How much money would telus of saved if they gave incentives for their techs to figure this stuff out (I got the feeling they got paid by the trip, so they wanted in/out as fast as possible).

and it wasn't the port probably, Just someone who didn't know how to look up what QoS is applied on your connection. We found that 99% of all the port that was flag as bad were actually not. Just doing a remove/add order fixed the QoS. Not changing the port.
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.

twixt

join:2004-06-27
North Vancouver, BC

said by Symtex:

said by zod5000:

It's been a few years since I've been on Telus and my experience was this:

Once your up and running it's pretty good. The downside is I've rarely had a time where an installation or speed upgrade happened without problems. I've had order tickets go missing, techs not wanting to resolve problems, horriible tech support, etc..

One time in Edmonton I upgrade from 15 to 25mbs and my speed got worse. They sent out 3 techs. Each tech checked the line, said nothings wrong, and took off. Never ran a speedtest on my line or bothered to troubleshoot. By the time I got to the third tech I have him the the third degree. Have you tried this, have you tried that. It seemed they wanted to get in and out without fixing anything. That third tech must of felt bad because he went back to the CO (once it was unlocked) and tried sticking me on a different port. Problem solved. How much money would telus of saved if they gave incentives for their techs to figure this stuff out (I got the feeling they got paid by the trip, so they wanted in/out as fast as possible).

and it wasn't the port probably, Just someone who didn't know how to look up what QoS is applied on your connection. We found that 99% of all the port that was flag as bad were actually not. Just doing a remove/add order fixed the QoS. Not changing the port.

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Agreed. Re-provisioning the port is the usual fix for a speed problem when the service itself is stable.

What is annoying - and IMO zod5000's opinion regarding shoddy service is completely valid in this situation - is the Telus on-site tech people's multiple intransigence when it came to actually finding and fixing his problem.

No QC, no validation testing, no nothing except trying to find a way to make a Telus problem the customer's fault.

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This is entirely unacceptable. It should be standard procedure for a line with any sort of speed problem to have its provisioning checked before anything else.

I had the same problem here with a changeover - the re-provisioning was not properly implemented. I phoned in and got a tech that handed me over to Level2 - we had the port re-provisioned and my speed as specified in 30 minutes with no truck roll.

Why a telus tech on-site - reacting to a speed complaint - can't perform the same process - is beyond my comprehension.


AnonTechEDM

@telus.net

said by twixt:

said by Symtex:

said by zod5000:

It's been a few years since I've been on Telus and my experience was this:

Once your up and running it's pretty good. The downside is I've rarely had a time where an installation or speed upgrade happened without problems. I've had order tickets go missing, techs not wanting to resolve problems, horriible tech support, etc..

One time in Edmonton I upgrade from 15 to 25mbs and my speed got worse. They sent out 3 techs. Each tech checked the line, said nothings wrong, and took off. Never ran a speedtest on my line or bothered to troubleshoot. By the time I got to the third tech I have him the the third degree. Have you tried this, have you tried that. It seemed they wanted to get in and out without fixing anything. That third tech must of felt bad because he went back to the CO (once it was unlocked) and tried sticking me on a different port. Problem solved. How much money would telus of saved if they gave incentives for their techs to figure this stuff out (I got the feeling they got paid by the trip, so they wanted in/out as fast as possible).

and it wasn't the port probably, Just someone who didn't know how to look up what QoS is applied on your connection. We found that 99% of all the port that was flag as bad were actually not. Just doing a remove/add order fixed the QoS. Not changing the port.

-

Agreed. Re-provisioning the port is the usual fix for a speed problem when the service itself is stable.

What is annoying - and IMO zod5000's opinion regarding shoddy service is completely valid in this situation - is the Telus on-site tech people's multiple intransigence when it came to actually finding and fixing his problem.

No QC, no validation testing, no nothing except trying to find a way to make a Telus problem the customer's fault.

-

This is entirely unacceptable. It should be standard procedure for a line with any sort of speed problem to have its provisioning checked before anything else.

I had the same problem here with a changeover - the re-provisioning was not properly implemented. I phoned in and got a tech that handed me over to Level2 - we had the port re-provisioned and my speed as specified in 30 minutes with no truck roll.

Why a telus tech on-site - reacting to a speed complaint - can't perform the same process - is beyond my comprehension.

It's easy in this situation to use the tech as a scape goat but you have no idea what we have to deal with in the field. There have been countless times where I have personally called into tech support to check provisioning and have been told by reps that it is fine. When you have a tech that is persistent and keeps on tech suport he might get them to finally fix it but it takes a looooooooing time. The biggest problem is the outsourcing of these support jobs and the lack of training they get. In my opinion when somebody calls in regarding speed issues and it looks like a qos issue there should be no reason at all for it to even get dispatched, it should be dealt with by tech support. We as technicians get next to no exposure to the tools and systems used to provision a line so when support tells us it is good we have to take them at face value on it. So don't blame the techs we do what we are trained to do....repair physical problems.


nss_tech

join:2007-07-29
Edmonton AB

said by :

The biggest problem is the outsourcing of these support jobs and the lack of training they get.

I'll agree with the outsourcing and insufficient training issue. A number of the managers that went over to do the training treated it like a vacation. I end up answering the calls from overseas agents and instructing them on how to do some fairly basic stuff at times. They've forced out a lot of the really knowledgeable tech support people in Canada already.

tablo

join:2011-06-30
Edmonton, AB
reply to BxB

Well maybe I wrote my reply poorly, but it was after several frustrating support calls that they actually gave me the proper speed. I've never experienced throttling, I can torrent away at 5.5MB/s easily.


twixt

join:2004-06-27
North Vancouver, BC
reply to AnonTechEDM

said by :

It's easy in this situation to use the tech as a scape goat but you have no idea what we have to deal with in the field. There have been countless times where I have personally called into tech support to check provisioning and have been told by reps that it is fine. When you have a tech that is persistent and keeps on tech suport he might get them to finally fix it but it takes a looooooooing time. The biggest problem is the outsourcing of these support jobs and the lack of training they get. In my opinion when somebody calls in regarding speed issues and it looks like a qos issue there should be no reason at all for it to even get dispatched, it should be dealt with by tech support. We as technicians get next to no exposure to the tools and systems used to provision a line so when support tells us it is good we have to take them at face value on it. So don't blame the techs we do what we are trained to do....repair physical problems.

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I completely agree that Telus' overseas Tech Support are poorly-trained monkeys - and this is one of the major-major-major things wrong with Telus' current approach to Tech Support.

It's utterly ridiculous to be paying Tier1-phone-support-people - if they are no more than parrots quoting scripts. Have the whole "dingbat level stuff" done by yet-another-automated-attendant - without having to pay people at all.

Then, spend the money for competent and intelligent Tier2 people who have the brains and skills to do their jobs properly. Getting things sorted properly the first time - and avoiding multiple truck rolls - would save a fortune. Not to mention the increase in customer satisfaction and the resulting decrease in churn...

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Now, regarding your situation:

You, as a Telus tech, are supposed to have ways to have your call escalated to Tier2 reps in North America. That's what happened when I had the problem - my Tier1 rep was able to get a Tier2 rep on the line in real time - I was able to "talk tech" with the Tier2 rep - and things got sorted quickly and efficiently.

If you're telling me that Telus insiders have no easy access to North American Tier2 - I call BS.

If you're telling me that Telus contract workers are being forced to go through overseas Tier1 to get to Tier2 support - I call this policy idiotic.

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What needs to be publicized here is just exactly where the breakdown in communications is occurring.

Making Telus' internal corporate turf battles and political squabbles the customer's fault is obviously a disaster from a marketing perspective.

So, quit making excuses. If the problem is caused by internal screwups - let people know that getting their line reprovisioned might take some time. Or, go the "change port" route from the get-go if you have to - but get the client sorted. That's what you're paid for.

IMO, having Techs in the field with no sensible recourse to competent provisioning personnel is simply a disaster waiting to happen. If this is not being slammed on top management's desk as an immediate action item - the Company itself is dysfunctional.

You know those ads about "At Telus, We Listen"? They're supposed to mean something. If there's a problem, it's supposed to get fixed. If it doesn't - then the ads are just another line of Corporate BS. And we all know how well that goes over nowadays...

Symtex

join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:18

There is incompetent tech on shore too....

I think with the migration to Converge Edge that is in progress, We should see less and less provisioning issue overall. We still have some work to do but overall, we are doing much better on CE node than non-CE node for activation.
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.



Bucko2013

@rogers.com

"There is incompetent tech on shore too...."

Deflection is a form of incompetence too.....

Twixt is spot on. Making out its the customers fault because a tech can't do something whether his lack of ability or lack of support ability doesn't matter its wrong! If there are internal screw ups the customer simply doesn't care for excuses they just want reliability and for things to just work.

If Telus wants to make things worse with outsourcing jobs (over 10,000 coupled with poor training as employees attest to) then it's their own grave to dig unfortunately.


Symtex

join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:18

said by :

"There is incompetent tech on shore too...."

Deflection is a form of incompetence too.....

Twixt is spot on. Making out its the customers fault because a tech can't do something whether his lack of ability or lack of support ability doesn't matter its wrong! If there are internal screw ups the customer simply doesn't care for excuses they just want reliability and for things to just work.

If Telus wants to make things worse with outsourcing jobs (over 10,000 coupled with poor training as employees attest to) then it's their own grave to dig unfortunately.

I think you are missed my point. There is good and bad employe at all level. Tier 1 was just as bad when it was onshore. That's just the nature of being a Tier 1.

I agree, We should have better training and better tool for Tier 1 and Tier 2. It wasn't meant as an excuse. We all have things we need to improved on.
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.


jed
Premium
join:2001-07-06
Alberta, Can
kudos:1
Reviews:
·EastLink Interne..
reply to sick of it

This week I was over to help an older lady with her connection, was unstable and slow. She's running a Speedtouch and a Tomato router. Did speedtests, with and without router, checked connections, made sure pc was clean, reflashed router and only then did I call in. The onshore gal I spoke with (from Edmonton) was great. We found out the old gal had put a filter in that affected her speed (obviously) then the port got out of spec. Took it off and still was bad. She put me on hold, got ahold of a 2nd level tech to deal with the port issues, and back up and running normally. Then, transferred me to Sales to set this gal up in moving her from 3mbps to 6mbps connection. Fabulous service. I see this more often than not lately. Great support experience.


twixt

join:2004-06-27
North Vancouver, BC

said by jed:

This week I was over to help an older lady with her connection, was unstable and slow. She's running a Speedtouch and a Tomato router. Did speedtests, with and without router, checked connections, made sure pc was clean, reflashed router and only then did I call in. The onshore gal I spoke with (from Edmonton) was great. We found out the old gal had put a filter in that affected her speed (obviously) then the port got out of spec. Took it off and still was bad. She put me on hold, got ahold of a 2nd level tech to deal with the port issues, and back up and running normally. Then, transferred me to Sales to set this gal up in moving her from 3mbps to 6mbps connection. Fabulous service. I see this more often than not lately. Great support experience.

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This was exactly my experience when I had the problem.

It went exactly as you describe - except that it was the switchover from 3mbs to 6mbs which was not implemented correctly.

My Port was not re-provisioned properly when the changeover was made. This was redone online with Tier2 in real time. I rebooted the ADSL modem as requested, ran a speed test, and confirmed I was back in business at 6mbs.

What I don't understand is why this isn't "business as usual" - whether from a user calling in or from a tech calling in from the customer premesis.

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From the descriptions, we have Tier1 people covering their incompetence by making their inability to solve a problem the customer's fault - and we also have some onsite techs being unable to get competent re-provisioning done because they are being forced to interface with overseas Tier1 bozos instead of NA Tier2 staff.

Neither situation fills me with confidence in Telus' ability to manage their infrastructure and solve problems expeditiously or reliably.

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This is a people problem, not a technical one. It responds to management - who understand the difference between a limitation imposed by technology - and a limitation imposed by poor planning and/or implementation.

There is no replacement for brains and the ability to use them. AI is currently a joke - and hideously inflexible (read: instantly obsolete the moment it's implemented) in comparison with well-trained and motivated personell.

This is not going to change for the forseeable future - because the level of brainpower needed to integrate ever-more-complex systems increases with complexity, not decreases.

Simpler-to-use automatically means more-difficult-to-maintain. As Scotty put it so eloquently in Star Trek III: "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."


JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
kudos:10
reply to jed

Why in god's name does this little old lady run a speedtouch with a tomato router???
Based on what you said, she's not technical and wouldn't need any advanced features.
She should have an actiontech for simplicity.... she's the reason why TELUS has it
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I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.



jed
Premium
join:2001-07-06
Alberta, Can
kudos:1
Reviews:
·EastLink Interne..

She's had it for years, and its never quit, or give her troubles. Her account was setup as a basic, and that was what was sent out. Hell, I still see the odd SE567. People leave their stuff alone if it works. And, We only have a max of 6mbps, with quite a few still at 3mbps, so an Actiontec is a waste. Except, yes, for Telus support.

I get that Telus can offer support with only a limited line of hardware, but alot of people, based on past experiences, would rather not talk to Telus CSR's. Theres ALOT like that, so they don't get the opportunity to upgrade. The stories of frustration are many here, not so much anymore, but thus my opportunity to give kudos when I did.

Bottom line, everything works, they leave it along.