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Dennis
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Re: Pergo question

I would recommend AC powered personally but that is just my opinion.



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said by Critsmcgee:

It's wood flooring so all of it will have an odor of wood for a while after its' installed.

That's the problem, laminate flooring is not wood! It's a composite base (wood particles with a binder) with a plastic surface glued on top, simple description. True hardwood flooring is what you are thinking about.


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Another question: for ease of installation, should I install it going east/west or north/south. I've drawn a layout of the bedroom for your reference. I am thinking of starting on the north end of the bedroom (A/C end) and working towards the door.

But should I work from the heater end and work towards the door.

The heater is an electric baseboard. I can easily remove that and reinstall that when the floor is in. I would like to put in one of those softheat hydronic electric baseboards but those are $250 a piece and I don't know if they run on the same wattage.

The room is 140 square feet.
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Just a couple of little tips IC, from when my brother and I installed pergo for the 1st time a couple of months ago...

Get yourself a pull bar, some scrap HARDwood to cut into tapping blocks, and some 1/4" scrap to use as perimeter spacers.

Here's a low-quality kit with everything included: »www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Qep-···odCFEAtw



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Planks should aesthetically run along the length of a room, which is going from left/right from your drawing. Joist orientation is of no importance for laminate as you need need a strong sub-floor (and you already have one since you have carpet).

However, because of the two doors, it might be easier to go top/bottom because then you would just have to cut your planks to length to meet the transition piece in the doorway. It should also make it easier to work around the heater in case you find it too difficult to remove.

PLAN AHEAD in terms of which direction you need to install the laminate. I'm talking about the direction you take for each piece.
So if you need to start from the left, then you should start at the top of the drawing so that your lines end up on the right wall where your doors are located. It's easier to make the length cut precisely for the doorways.

said by cjski:

Get yourself a pull bar, some scrap HARDwood to cut into tapping blocks, and some 1/4" scrap to use as perimeter spacers.

He can just cut a few inches off a piece of laminate. It's not like it would go to waste as he will probably still have a use for the rest of the piece, and he'll slowly accumulate a whole bunch of pieces later on.


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Consumer Reports Ratings on various types of flooring. Note the Laminate from Lowes is the best buy at $1/sq/ft.

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Buy some high quality and high air volume hepa air cleaners.

True. Although they tend to be more effective for pet material than for dust mite issues.

said by dark_star:

Stay away from ionic air cleaners.

Very true, ionizers cause more harm than good.

said by dark_star:

I take generic Loratadine (brand name Claritin) and generic Cetirizine (brand name Zyrtec) every day, year round....

These newer meds don't cause the groggy side effects that earlier generations do.

Cetirizine (Zyrtec, also sold in Canada as Reactine) DOES make many people drowsy. Although labelled as non-sedating in some countries, the US FDA does require a drowsiness warning. I'm well over 200 pounds and even a half-dose of Zyrtec will knock me out for at least a day.

In addition to Loratadine (Claritin/Alavert) another non-sedating antihistamine is Fexofenadine (Allegra).

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said by toby:

Ask others, and they will tell you that carpets actually help, as they trap dust, which you vacuum away.

The only people that I've ever seen say that are people like the Carpet and Rug Institute.

The issue is not dust as such, but rather dust MITES and the poop from those dust mites.

Carpets, bedding, mattresses, boxsprings, all are hiding places for dust mites....

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said by IowaCowboy:

This project is in the planning stages and I've been told by two different medical professionals (one being an RN in 2006 and an MD last week) to lose the carpeting in the bedroom due to dust mites and allergies. Not to mention I'm up to three different medications. And carpet is notorious for trapping dust mites.

The bedroom is of prime importance because of a vicious cycle with dust mites:

You spend more time in the bedroom (including sleep hours) than in any other single part of the house.

This there is more dead skin there than anywhere else in the house.

Dead skin is what dust mites eat, thus they thrive in the bedroom.

So you spend the plurality of your time at home, in the very room where there is the highest amount of dust mites and dust mite poop.

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said by Msradell:

said by Critsmcgee:

It's wood flooring so all of it will have an odor of wood for a while after its' installed.

That's the problem, laminate flooring is not wood! It's a composite base (wood particles with a binder) with a plastic surface glued on top, simple description. True hardwood flooring is what you are thinking about.

Pretty much the same stuff as Trex.
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said by Gershom 1624:

Cetirizine (Zyrtec, also sold in Canada as Reactine) DOES make many people drowsy. Although labelled as non-sedating in some countries, the US FDA does require a drowsiness warning. I'm well over 200 pounds and even a half-dose of Zyrtec will knock me out for at least a day.

Me too. I think it works good, but I'm usually asleep after taking it so I don't really know!


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I picked up some free samples of Pergo down at the Depot to see how they'd look in my home since nothing in the store (with their cheap high output lighting) looks the same in a home. The one on the left is Belmont Oak and the one on the right is Sierra Cypress. Both are $1.99/Sq Ft. Room is 140 sq ft.

I'm steering towards the Pergo Belmont Oak. They do not have attached underlayment. The room is a second story bedroom where humidity isn't an issue so I'll probably use a cheap foam underlayment. The room underneath is the kitchen.



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said by IowaCowboy:

Another question: for ease of installation, should I install it going east/west or north/south. I've drawn a layout of the bedroom for your reference. I am thinking of starting on the north end of the bedroom (A/C end) and working towards the door.

But should I work from the heater end and work towards the door.

The heater is an electric baseboard. I can easily remove that and reinstall that when the floor is in. I would like to put in one of those softheat hydronic electric baseboards but those are $250 a piece and I don't know if they run on the same wattage.

The room is 140 square feet.

How does the hallway outside the room run parallel or perpendicular to the door? It matters for future flooring if someone chooses to do so.

Assuming the hall is parallel I would run the flooring south to north starting on the west wall. That would give you a full piece when you walk in the door and the (maybe thin) rip on the heater wall (less noticeable). For future flooring in the hall the aesthetics will look better IMHO coming in and out of the room.

For a perpendicular hallway to the room I would run east to west starting on the south end of the room. Makes for more cutting because it is the short dimension the room. But it will have a better flow to the wood grain at the door way if future flooring is installed, even if it is a different kind of flooring in the hall.

Just one persons opinion but projects always look best in the end with a little more planning and a little less hop to it. But you seem to be doing well on the planning.


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Update Sept 23:

I did talk to the guy at the Home Depot today and he said its best to run the planks the length of the room (north/south in my case). He also said its best to use a circular saw (which I'd have to acquire or rent from Home Depot for $19 a or I could purchase a low end model for $39 at Home Depot).

The room measures 9 1/2 feet wide and 13 feet long.

Each box covers about 20 sq ft so about 7 boxes. I could buy 8 to be safe and return any unopened boxes.

As for being a renter, we're a long term tenant. We've been here 11 years and don't plan on moving any time soon. We pay our rent faithfully. If we changed rental units like I change socks I would not do the floors, but I would try to avoid units with carpeting and try to rent units that have no smoking clauses in their leases due to allergies (which is the reason I'm putting Pergo in the bedroom).
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If there is shoe molding or quarter round, you will remove that first. For your floating floor, you will probably put down foam underlayment. »www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfIma···048f.pdf I think. »www.flooring-professionals.com/w···rs-fail/

After your floor is in place, you will replace/install shoe molding to hide the gap. The flooring can expand and contract, and the molding will hide the gap.

Use an 18 gauge air nailer to nail the molding into place. A friend may have one with compressor that you can borrow.



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Could I just use the existing baseboards to cover the gap.




Also, how should I approach the electric baseboard heater. Should I remove the heater, install the flooring under it and reinstall the heater or should I cut the flooring to go around it.

View of the baseboards in a different room. The baseboards are the same throughout the unit.



(Off topic) Carpets get quite messy pretty quickly with a malamute in the house. We go through vacuum bag after vacuum bag. And those bagless vacuums are a no-no if you have allergies.

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said by IowaCowboy:

Could I just use the existing baseboards to cover the gap.

Pull the baseboard, install flooring, and replace baseboard? That would be good.

said by IowaCowboy:

Also, how should I approach the electric baseboard heater. Should I remove the heater, install the flooring under it and reinstall the heater or should I cut the flooring to go around it.

View of the baseboards in a different room. The baseboards are the same throughout the unit.

Regarding heater, I don't know. Maybe start at the heater and work away if the heater does not go all the way to the floor.

Your picture did not tell me anything.

robbin
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You may create a hazard if you raise the floor level relative to the baseboard heat. Without more info I would say that the heater needs to be uninstalled and re-installed. If you install the flooring up to the heater will you trap the heater in so it can't be removed or serviced properly?



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The heater is a 240 volt baseboard heater. I'm 95 percent sure the power supply comes in through the wall as the landlord's husband had to replace a broken heater in the other unit and I was there when he did it. Not that difficult.

If I wanted to throw more money at this unit I would install one of those softheat hydronic baseboards but that's not on my wish list.

My old landlord at our previous residence had these words of wisdom "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

I remembered those words when I was fixing the loose toilet last month. I was tempted to replace the toilet (as I want a chair height elongated) but all I needed was a flange repair kit, wax ring, and flange bolts.

So if the heater works, I'm going to just reuse it. But if I owned the house, never mind the softheat baseboards, I'd put something in that is cheaper to run like forced air natural gas.

The reason I'm doing the Pergo is allergy control and taking three daily allergy medications is no longer being effective. I'm up to four medications if you count the prescription they gave me for when things get really bad and five if you include my Epi-Pen (if I end up with shellfish residue in my dinner).

A big thing in allergy control is removing the source of allergens and dust mites are a biggie for me. The doctor says the carpet in the bedroom has to go.

The landlord has already given me permission to remove the carpet. The Pergo will be easier to keep clean, just sweep it and use a dust mop.
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If the baseboard does not come off readily, consider adding shoe molding. See if you can find a pre-finished match.

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Re: Pergo question

As others have mentioned, when all is said and done, you may want to consider an air purifier. My better half has bad allergies and we purchased a Blueair 400 purifier. It works wonders for her.
Good luck!
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lift the baseboard heaters up... It'll look better, and it's the right way to do it. With a little luck, shouldn't even have to disconnect them - there should be enough slack to move them up 1/2"

As for the baseboards, it's unlikely you'll be able to reuse it - it'll probably split as you take it up, no matter how careful you are. I'd buget for replacement.



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said by IowaCowboy:

Also, how should I approach the electric baseboard heater. Should I remove the heater, install the flooring under it and reinstall the heater or should I cut the flooring to go around it.

I don't know if baseboard heaters are standardized on size but if you cut around this one and it fails later, will the replacement fit in the same cut-out ?


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said by LazMan:

lift the baseboard heaters up... It'll look better, and it's the right way to do it. With a little luck, shouldn't even have to disconnect them - there should be enough slack to move them up 1/2"

If there is carpet under the heater, and the carpet is being removed, the new flooring may be at the same height that the old carpet was.

I don't know these electric baseboard heaters, but I wonder if there is an outer cover that can be removed without removing the heater itself. I am sure that at least some have removable covers. That would maybe give enough access for the flooring install, and it would present the opportunity to clean the fins or coils under the covers.


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the electric baseboards that were left in a few rooms here before the gas heat was installed have removable covers. you can put flooring under by removing the cover as was done in the kitchen here.


TheSMJ

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A little OT: I've been thinking of replacing my worn out vinyl floor in the kitchen with pergo. But I've heard that if pergo gets wet, it will swell up and the only fix is to replace the boards, so putting it in a kitchen, bathroom or anyplace that gets wet is a bad idea.

Is that true?



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said by StillLearn:

said by LazMan:

lift the baseboard heaters up... It'll look better, and it's the right way to do it. With a little luck, shouldn't even have to disconnect them - there should be enough slack to move them up 1/2"

If there is carpet under the heater, and the carpet is being removed, the new flooring may be at the same height that the old carpet was.

I don't know these electric baseboard heaters, but I wonder if there is an outer cover that can be removed without removing the heater itself. I am sure that at least some have removable covers. That would maybe give enough access for the flooring install, and it would present the opportunity to clean the fins or coils under the covers.

Totally unrelated but in my last house, the dummies who installed the tile floor did so over the 'lip' at the bottom of the baseboard heaters.

The only way to remove the covers is to chisel out the tile. Hope the new owners (who busted my rocks during the closing) enjoy that.

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Duplicate post.


Trimox

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I would never put laminate or hardwood in a bathroom. In a kitchen pergo is not a problem as long as you are not having swim parties in the kitchen sink. If you get water on it just wipe it up, do not just let it sit there and think it will dry on its own.