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Re: [Raiding] Progression Thread 5.4 edition

Below is 1st boss cliff notes. 2nd boss I'm still trying to get over my headache.

* Use hero in beginning; burn boss
* Tanks face boss away from raid; taunt on Corrosive Blasts
* Spread out; at least 5 yards apart
* Stack up void zones closely created by Sha Bolts; keep them between you and boss as they will be pulled towards him
* Avoid Swirls and do not be in front of Immer.

During Adds phase:

* Healers heal Contaminated Puddles and be within 12 yards of them to receive mana and healing buff
* DPS Sha Puddles and be within 10 yards of them when they die to receive dps buff
* Phase ends when all puddles die, are healed, or reach Immer. Puddles can be stunned and rooted.
* Heal and dps as many as possible; Corruption level will be reduced by 1 for each add successfully dealt with.

Rinse and repeat until boss corruption level is at zero.
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Absolution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 11/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 9/12 ToT

Right I throughly read through the first 2 bosses last night. First boss won't be an issue for any raiders worth there salt, although it appears to have lots of stuff to avoid and space might become an issue.

The second boss(es) however are a total mindfudge at the first time of reading. You fight 3 at the same time but they don't share a health pool. Each of them has there own moveset and each of them vanish at 66% and 33% health, spawning adds who need to be dealt with whilst still dealing with the other two bosses. Once adds are dead they re-appear and the fight goes on. There is seriously a metric fudgeton of stuff to look out for / remember. Oh and the bosses all need to die within 10 secs of each other or the first one dead respawns. My experiences with tactics like these is that it is really really hard to get a DPS to stop DPS'ing.

Personally I really don't get where Blizzard is at with raiding currently. Raids should be smoothed in difficulty so it ramps up the further through you get, or be winged so that if you can't pass a certain boss, you can go get loot from others (ICC is a good example of this). Horridon was the 2nd boss of ToT and although I didn't do him on normal, I understand he was a pain in the bottom for many guilds who struggled to progress past him for weeks. Likewise the 2nd boss of this new raid also seems to be much harder than the 3 bosses I've skimmed over after him. Is it just me or does it seem like Blizz are creating a wall at a really silly point of the raid? I mean there are still 10 bosses after it and many guilds will be just like in ToT, only getting loot from 1 boss per week for a while.

Just because it sounds hard doesn't mean it is hard. That's the mindset I'm going in with.

Had to do the same thing with Thatius in WotLK Naxx. Never had a problem killing the 2 adds withi in 10 secs, people did have a hard time checking to see if they were positive or negitive though.

Ya you needed to evenly DPS both to 10%, because when ether hit 10% it was phase transition and in P3 the total health of all 4 combined, so if one was at 50% then P3 would have alot extra health to burn.
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oops... wrong thread.
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Gratz Immer, I think you got the wrong thread though.

I think ICC captured the ramping perfectly. Each wing (with the only real exception being Lady HC in first) increased as you went through the 2-3 bosses, before hitting the final wing boss, which usually resulted in a fair medium to medium-hard difficulty fight (speaking from HC perspective). And, each of the wing bosses ramped up in difficulty when just looking at them.

Saurfang, kill adds and high dps = really easy.
Blood Queen, manage bites and high dps, spread out = easy
Healing dragon (name?), manage adds, keep portal stacks, heal = easy/medium
Professor Putricide, medium to hard on add control, high dps 3rd phase = medium/medium-hard
Sindrogosa(even though she's not a end wing boss), high dps check and 0 room for error = hard+
LK, all of the above in 1 fight while having to drop ground effects and move away = hard/very hard+

Now it's come in, kill first boss and feel good and raise morale, get to 2nd (or whichever) boss, get absolutely slaughter like a new born runt of the litter, and lose all morale for weeks/months on end, quit raiding, quit game, nerdrage IRL, etc etc...

Um the 5 wing bosses were
Saurfang
Professor Putricide
Blood Queen
Sindrogosa
and then LK was the only boss of his wing
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ICC was perfect in that regard. If you couldn't do Putrcide you moved on to the Blood Council or Dreamweaver. It took us an age to do Saurfang, but then we used to do Festergut and the other one, Dreamweaver and usually Sindy each week.

We struggled on Blood Council for some reason.

Thanks for the correction Dark. Sad to say that my WoW knowledge is starting to fail after being away from game for so long (yay region block!).

I experienced all of ICC 25 HC as it was currently, mostly before the damage/hp buff's starting coming (got to Putri/Sindy). 9/12 down as 5% rolled out. Never got to experience LK 25 HC at current due to deploying a few weeks before my guild finally reached it, but was doing it on 10m.

I only liked ToTGC for my Death's Choice heroic

Now that 5.4 is (I assume) in the process of dropping
anyone have updates on ETA on when the starting pistol will fire?
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SO 10PST I assume
IE 12 cst, 1 est.

and who knows for AST
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Am i wrong in remembering that 5.2 came back up fairly quickly... or was that for 5.3? Either way, with everything going on this patch I will be shocked if everyone is up before 4PM EDT.

Well I won't be home till maybe 5pm cst so I hope they're up by then.

Gotta grab my quests from wrathion and start collecting my 5000 timeless coins and killing those 4 bosses.
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I get home at 4:30, then I have a meeting from 6:30 to 8:00 or so. Then SoO starts at 9:30 so I really have to hustle to get stuff done on the timeless isle. I need to get lucky with an early drop to the engineering schematic for the Jed's peculiar energy so I can get my daily cooldown done.

Got the engineer drop 5 minutes after I hit the island.

Yeah that is true. Though that was almost non-existant trash. No trash between bosses 1&2 and 3&4 at all. Walked into the instance and could see Sha immediately.

There would have to be four wings of that in SoO which I'm thinking is probably unlikely. I could be wrong (Which has happened once in my life. Turns out I was actually right but I was wrong in thinking I was wrong).
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Absolution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 12/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 11/12 ToT

Took me 10 minutes to get the drop, patch is up and running smoothly

I hate to say it, but I feel a little lost on what to do on the Isle without dailies. I'll just go there and start killing stuff and looking for chests and see what happens. But with professions across all my toons and recipes dropping, I'll have to log in to each and kill stuff on the island but how will I know I'm done? lol

I'll just go there and keep hacking away, sending blood and gore flying, until the weapon drops from my overly fatigued hands I guess.
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Absolution -- 6/6 MSV, 4/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 12/12 ToT
Pride and Ego -- 6/6 MSV 1/6H, 6/6 HoF, 4/4 ToES, 11/12 ToT

Hey dark, when doing flex raiding dont forget about cigtyme old guild. I think 3 or 4 still play but cant raid with those numbers. I know I have a 508 kitty left on that guild and you probably can get a toon or 2 from there. My hunter will be doing flex/normal with its guild but have several geared toons

Ok, first night in SoO down. Got through Galakras, although that fight took us a while. Frist two fight we breezed through. Norushen wasn't really bad, got that one after a wipe. Sha of fear took us 3 wipes (this fight is entirely about killing and interrupting adds as soon as they spawn, everyone stop hitting the boss and nuke them).

Galakras was a BIG step up in difficulty. The adds hit HARD, and keeping Varian alive is a bitch if you don't knockback/interrupt/stun the berserk adds that charge him and pound on him (plus, He's a dick, I think he taunts adds....). Getting up the towers isn't bad, kill the main mob at the top asap on both towers, they have AoE attacks that HURT (and can knock you off). Make sure you use the cannon at the top to shoot down all the other protodrakes before you go down the rope, if you don't the really rain fire down on the raid during the rest of the fight and will probably end up killing you.

Healers, lace up your boots when Galakras finally comes down. There will probably still be adds up that hit hard, warbanners still must die ASAP. Tank the boss facing to the side, blow heroism and a raid cooldown to get adds dead. Sort of stack up, because he spams a fireball that targets a random person and the more people it passes through it mitigates the damage (or so they claim). He only has about 150m health, so it's a fast phase, but the damage going out is HIGH the entire time. Got him on about the 15th try or so on the last pull of the night.

On to Iron Juggernaut!