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Mike Harris

join:2013-09-06
Toronto, ON

[Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . . .

Marc,

You have PROMISED on numerous occasions to keep us updated in regard to when you will re-offer the home phone (POTS) option for existing Bell customers. My phone bill has now hit $50/month for a POTS line plus voice mail. I want to give you my money but you won't let me. Your website tells a fib because it is NOT technical limitations by Bell - it is on YOUR side.

Every once in a great while you chirp about how you will bring this back and you never do. IF you ARE NOT going to offer it then may I kindly suggest you REMOVE this from your site OR post a note right at the start that existing Bell POTS customers are not eligible for this service. You can't get around this because it appears to be the truth for now.

And before you ask - I will NOT consider TekTalk. VoIP is not mature enough and given the issued you have had with network stability I would rather keep in with POTS.

Awaiting your response.

Mike

komi

join:2011-07-08
North York, ON
Reviews:
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Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

Here is what you can get from Bell:

Home phone Basic Package 38.98
24 Month Contract
Residence Line
Home Phone Promotion - 24 months 22.99cr
Touch-Tone Service 2.80
9-1-1 Emergency Service 0.16
Service Area Charge 0.00

Total (before taxes) 18.95

If you have another service with Bell (included cell phone) you'll get another $4 credit monthly.
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oceros

join:2013-07-20
St Thomas, ON
reply to Mike Harris

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

is it your phone number you need to hang on to?

you should be able to sign up for a pots line through teksavvy if you don't require your bell phone number to be ported over.


Teddy Boom
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reply to Mike Harris
It would be much appreciated if you could put something about POTS in the subject line.

Regarding porting numbers.. It would be possible to port your number to VoIP but then have it forwarded to your new POTS number by the VoIP provider themselves. This is extremely reliable, and if you went with an Anveo VoIP number would only cost a few dollars per month, plus the $25 porting fee of course.

And thinks komi, very interesting that you can get ~$20/month from Bell. Any hints on how to go about getting it?
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kevinds
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join:2003-05-01
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
reply to komi

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

They charge a fee for touch-tone access?

Does pulse dialing still work? Can it be opted-out of? Just curious
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:22
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·TekSavvy DSL
said by kevinds:

They charge a fee for touch-tone access?

Does pulse dialing still work? Can it be opted-out of? Just curious

Thats the hilarious part... touch tone cannot be opted out of... i'd be willing to bet my left nut that there's not one analog switch left in Bell's major markets.

Funny thing is, they have to install a pulse dialing module or something for old ladies who have grandfathered plans that dont have the touch tone fee, with old rotary phones.
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heavenlyevil

join:2013-09-06
Actually my in-laws are still on pulse dialling. They never agreed to opt-in when Bell first starting porting everyone, and refuse to add tone dialling every time they are asked. Since they've never cancelled and made a new account I imagine they'll be on pulse dialling forever unless Bell pulls something sneaky on them.

bbiab

join:2004-05-26
reply to Teddy Boom

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

said by Teddy Boom:

It would be much appreciated if you could put something about POTS in the subject line.

Regarding porting numbers.. It would be possible to port your number to VoIP but then have it forwarded to your new POTS number by the VoIP provider themselves. This is extremely reliable, and if you went with an Anveo VoIP number would only cost a few dollars per month, plus the $25 porting fee of course.

And thinks komi, very interesting that you can get ~$20/month from Bell. Any hints on how to go about getting it?

Okay, so now the gears are turning. How much would say Voip.ms charge to forward a ported POTS # to a new Teksavvy POTS, is this the approach you are describing? reliable?


oceros

join:2013-07-20
St Thomas, ON
reply to Teddy Boom
Hm.
Is that forwarding done at the ATA level or right at the VOIP provider network side?

In other words, would the forwarding fail if the internet connection went down at home?

bbiab

join:2004-05-26
Anveo Value on a free plan seems to be saying 1.5 cents per minute over 40 per day. So depending on the answer to the above question (what level forwarded) the gears are really turning now. And I guess you can configure over the internet or with support, all the while having no intention of using the VOIP? I guess the level where forwarded is key to this.

kevinds
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Calgary, AB
kudos:3
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·Shaw
reply to bbiab
I do that, voip.ms forwarded to numbes, very reliable, it has been the phone I am forwarding it to acting up, when it doesn't work

$10 for the number port
$1.99/month for the number
$0.0149/minute for the incoming call
$0.0052/minute for the outgoing forwarded call

-According to my account page

To forward a telephone number to another telephone number
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darrylr

join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON
reply to Mike Harris

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

It's all to get back at you over workfare.
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Teddy Boom
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reply to kevinds

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

I think it is $25 everywhere to port the number.

Anveo has unlimited incoming for $2/month on Toronto numbers. Voip.ms does unlimited incoming for $4/month. Then you only have to pay the outgoing per minute rate, which might even be able to be a little lower than half a cent per minute on some providers.

Of course it is all in US$ and HST applies.

Very reliable in my experience. VoIP failures are typically local failures.

(Edit: and thanks for editing the title, it makes it a much more interesting and useful thread on every level )

(Edit Edit: Oh, it doesn't have home phone in the subject, just the group... It really would be helpful if it could be in the subject too... I guess maybe it is too late to change that )
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Teddy Boom
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reply to oceros

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

said by oceros:

Hm.
Is that forwarding done at the ATA level or right at the VOIP provider network side?

In other words, would the forwarding fail if the internet connection went down at home?

It is done by the provider. You don't even have to own an ATA.
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HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:6
reply to HiVolt

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

said by HiVolt:

Funny thing is, they have to install a pulse dialing module or something for old ladies who have grandfathered plans that dont have the touch tone fee, with old rotary phones.

Bell's digital switches support rotary dialing without adding additional equipment. At one time, Bell's old mechanical switches didn't support touch tone, so they used converters.
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bbiab

join:2004-05-26
reply to Teddy Boom

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

said by Teddy Boom:

said by oceros:

Hm.
Is that forwarding done at the ATA level or right at the VOIP provider network side?

In other words, would the forwarding fail if the internet connection went down at home?

It is done by the provider. You don't even have to own an ATA.

I'm quite intrigued by the Anveo possibilities. Am I right in thinking $2 per month for incoming plus 40 free minutes outgoing per day on the free plan? Makes 7 cents a day for 40 minutes and I guess they throw in voicemail too.
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bjlockie

join:2007-12-16
Ottawa, DSL
reply to komi

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

said by komi:

Here is what you can get from Bell:

Home phone Basic Package 38.98
24 Month Contract
Residence Line
Home Phone Promotion - 24 months 22.99cr
Touch-Tone Service 2.80
9-1-1 Emergency Service 0.16
Service Area Charge 0.00

Total (before taxes) 18.95

If you have another service with Bell (included cell phone) you'll get another $4 credit monthly.

said by komi:

Here is what you can get from Bell:

Home phone Basic Package 38.98
24 Month Contract
Residence Line
Home Phone Promotion - 24 months 22.99cr
Touch-Tone Service 2.80
9-1-1 Emergency Service 0.16
Service Area Charge 0.00

Total (before taxes) 18.95

If you have another service with Bell (included cell phone) you'll get another $4 credit monthly.

Is that only for new numbers?


Teddy Boom
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reply to bbiab
I've never noticed the 40minutes.

Voicemail is definitely included though. I found Anveo's website harder to work with than voip.ms..
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Tyreman

join:2002-10-08
Canada
reply to komi

Re: [Home Phone] Sorry To Get On The Slam TS Bandwagon, But . .

said by komi:

Here is what you can get from Bell:

Home phone Basic Package 38.98
24 Month Contract
Residence Line
Home Phone Promotion - 24 months 22.99cr
Touch-Tone Service 2.80
9-1-1 Emergency Service 0.16
Service Area Charge 0.00

Total (before taxes) 18.95

If you have another service with Bell (included cell phone) you'll get another $4 credit monthly.

Tried to get that this AM but Bell wouldn't do it.
Tried on online chat and even Bell Loyalty wouldn't do it unless I move tv and internet to them..that isn't going to happen
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kevinds
Premium
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Calgary, AB
kudos:3
Reviews:
·Shaw

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reply to Teddy Boom
said by Teddy Boom:

I think it is $25 everywhere to port the number.

»voip.ms/news.php
Febuary 27, 2013
"$10 per number, effective as of today"

No ATA required.

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Cubytus

join:2007-08-24
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
·Vonage
·Skype
reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt:

Funny thing is, they have to install a pulse dialing module or something for old ladies who have grandfathered plans that dont have the touch tone fee, with old rotary phones.

Actually I am still in my twenties and I remember, as a child, that Granny used a rotary phone... How many youngs do actually know how to dial with a rotary?

My parents had the most recent phone tech when they bought a wireless phone at the end of the 80's that worked on 49MHz with an extensible antenna.


HiVolt
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Toronto, ON
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reply to HeadSpinning
said by HeadSpinning:

said by HiVolt:

Funny thing is, they have to install a pulse dialing module or something for old ladies who have grandfathered plans that dont have the touch tone fee, with old rotary phones.

Bell's digital switches support rotary dialing without adding additional equipment. At one time, Bell's old mechanical switches didn't support touch tone, so they used converters.

Oh.. I remember someone posted info here that said that Bell had to install some sort of pulse dialing converter on the new digital switches, for the old grandfathered accounts. Perhaps he was incorrect.

So if you're right, I can just switch my phone to pulse dial and it will work? or is it disabled by default for everyone but those people that are on pulse only?
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