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PARODY: The top secret Kessel hearing (according to Down Goes Brown)

»www.downgoesbrown.com/2013/09/ph···ion.html
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As spoken of upthread, but with a more accurate description, from @capgeek on Twitter:

If Clarkson & Kessel suspended & Orr, McLaren & Bolland injured, #Leafs will be left with this opening day: 9F, 7D, 2G & $995k in cap space.
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If any of Orr, McLaren or Bolland could be placed on IR, though, the immediate cap space goes up.

Kessel given slap on wrist - suspended for 3 pre-season games, no regular season games.

»www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6839···topheads

I am sure the players dont care they miss the preseason (no pay anyways). There should have been at least a game or two in the regular season

IIRC the NHL says that playoff games are worth double when suspending. So a 10 game in regular season would be 5 games in the playoffs..does that mean that 3 games in the pre season is 1/2 of a regular season (1.5 games suspended). So in the regular season a player does this should not get more than one game
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Yeah, I don't get it... Kessel which swung his stick several times gets the last 3 preseason game, a golf break, but Clarkson gets to play the last 3 preseason games, but is shelved for 10 regular season games...

I would have expected Clarkson to have gotten the remainder 3 preseason games, and then 7 regular season games...

The Buffalo coach got a fine too I heard, and John Scott got diddly...
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Kessel given slap on wrist - suspended for 3 pre-season games, no regular season games.

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10 games would be too much...Kessel isn't a repeat offender, and there were circumstances regarding his incident...that said, i think 2-3 regular season games would have been "just", perhaps as many as 5 (if you really want to be firm)...i do agree that 3 pre-season games isn't much of a punishment, but perhaps serves as a warning.

Kassian got what he got because of the result of what he did.

It's not a "warning", it's appeasing a big market. Pandering. Making the wrong call because of who the teams involved were. The rules have no provision in them for "did it injure / did it not injure", an infraction is an infraction (the only exception I can think of is a double-minor for high-sticking if blood is drawn) but it's obvious that the NHL is more concerned about appearances around injuries than actually following the rules it lays down.

This is what it boils down to:

accidental injury = 3 pre-season games + 5 regular season games (Kassian)
deliberate and repeated attempt to injure = 3 pre-season games (Kessel)

Way to go Shanny. You've just shown, yet again, the league bias when it comes to "player safety". The fine for a non-existent infraction for the Buffalo coach is just another example, as Rolston didn't break a written rule.

PATHETIC, but sadly, expected.
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and Scott attempted to injure Kessel by going after him, yet got nothing as well (his actions instigated the entire event)...in the end, neither were injured...the same can't be said for Gagner...the player is 100% responsible for their stick at all times...i already said that Kessel should have been suspended a couple of regular season games, because you just can't be doing that...however, Kessel isn't Kaletta or Matt Cooke, so this was certainly an incident that was out of character for him.
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Scott broke no NHL rules, Kessel did, so there is no reason for him to get supplementary discipline. If you want every guy who fights a non-goon to get supplemental, Orr/McLaren/Frazer will hardly be in the lineup for the Leafs this season. Sorry, farcical argument.

Injury / no injury should have no place in assessing player safety, since there is no regard for whether something is accidental or not. Sadly, this isn't the case.

Given the three minors that Kessel got in the pre-season game vs Flyers for slashing and cross-checking, it IS in character for him so far in the pre-season. At least he'll be a repeat offender next time. Oh wait, the NHL will realize he's a star and find a way for him to get off on that one too.

Let's recall: Lupul got 2 games for a check to the head, and that's as out of character for him as you claim this deliberate attempt to injure was by Kessel. Ol' Phil gets the rest of the pre-season off, and no loss of income. Consistent? Fair? Just? Correct? Negative.
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Expected lines for tonight vs Senators:

van Riemsdyk - Bozak - Clarkson
Lupul - Kadri - Kulemin
Ashton - Colborne - Bodie
Broll - McClement - Devane

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Fraser - Gardiner
Rielly - Ranger

Reimer in goal.

Kardinal, we get it...you hate the Leafs...get over it already.

I'm thinking of a quote from Scott Hartnell.....

....and I don't hate the Leafs. As I've stated previously, I dislike a great number of their fans (for reasons I've explained at great length previously and don't need to re-hash) and some some of their players. If I could get Lupul on the team I cheer for I'd take him in a heartbeat. I feel the some of the decisions made by the NHL today, in terms of disciplinary action on both Kessel and Rolston, were (respectively) too lenient and ridiculous. Your pro-Leafs bias doesn't like that, and I understand that but it doesn't alter my opinions on these things in the least.
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what pro Leaf bias?...i already said he should have been suspended, up to 5 regular season games...no bias here.

The NHL has been unofficially meting out suspensions based on the severity of the injury for as long as I can remember. It's not specific to these incidents.

Absolutely true. And I've been saying that's absurd because it's re-writing the rulebook to suit the need of the situation rather than following the rules as laid down. I'm not claiming this is the first time, but another example of a lack of consistency in how player safety is handled.
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Franson signed. 1 year, $2m.

»www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=432788

It'll be interesting to see what moves they make to get under the cap since this puts the Leafs (technically) about $1m over. They're currently icing a full roster with a full press box (plus Clarkson).

Well thats good at least, but I was hoping for a 2 year deal. Next year the Leafs will have a boatload of players to sign, including Kessel & Phaneuf.
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the cap is rumoured to increase about $6-7 million, plus they won't have Tucker, Armstrong, Scrivens and Frattin money on the books, freeing up another $2.5 million...my hope is Phaneuf's price drops $2 million as well.

I can't believe you still have Tucker on your books. When was the last year he actually played for the Leafs?

edit: 07/08 wow

Yashin's last year on the books for the Islanders is next year.

I think they will be under once everyone is sent down to Marlies. Won't be a lot of extra players hanging around ACC, and any injuries could get dicey with the cap.

Yeah perhaps he meant that they'll be just under when the season starts.
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