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Chele

join:2003-07-23
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Fiber installation----good place to start?

Hello Folks

We want/need to start dabbling in fiber. We have been asked to do a job for which we can order the fiber with the ends already terminated and just run the fiber-----or the more involved, expensive way would be to terminate the ends on-site. I would like to do the latter as I would like to learn how to do it. The job has enough margin to allow us to buy the tools and still make bit of profit. I have been looking at TKT-UNICAM-PFC Corning Unicam Termination Kit. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular kits? I know I can buy the individual components for less but the idea of an "almost" all inclusive kit is appealing. I have been looking through DSL reports 'fiber' and 'networking' forums but they have very slim pickings on anything related to fiber. At this point we are only interested in indoor installs.



MatrixHDV

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL

said by Chele:

The job has enough margin to allow us to buy the tools and still make bit of profit. I have been looking at TKT-UNICAM-PFC Corning Unicam Termination Kit. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular kits?

I do a lot of SM fiber both in-building and out and personally I would go for a fusion splicer and use pre terminated pigtails.

The reason being with a splicer I can not only quickly terminate bulk fibers and can splice them as well without involving connectors and the need to support them.

As an example, lets say you have a need to run a fiber from the main floor of a building to the 23 floor, that leaves you passing 21 floors of possible customers and the drops they may need, now it makes no sense to drop in additional LGX’s on each floor at this time, but there is nothing in the cost of leaving a loop-up in the electrical/telco room of each floor as you install high count riser fiber, remember the cost of the fiber, the ty-wraps and fire-stop are minor compared to the labor of the install.

With a splicer you can go back after the fact and drop those spare pairs where youi need them.

Chele

join:2003-07-23
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reply to Chele

Damn, MatrixHDV--here I'm trying to learn how to crawl and you got me running full speed down hill!! You bring up a point I had not even remotely considered--Thanks. Please do keep in mind that we have not had any fiber requests before--but then, we had not looked for any either. What would be the price of a decent(not great, not crappy) fusion splicer? I can get the above mentioned connector kit for around $1500. I did a quick search for fusion splicers and they can get very pricey, specially since I am not in that segment of the market and have no idea what makes a good splicer good:(
Thanks for your input.


LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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reply to MatrixHDV

said by MatrixHDV:

I do a lot of SM fiber both in-building and out and personally I would go for a fusion splicer and use pre terminated pigtails.

+1

Fusing splicing is not hard and is my preferred method too. Every fibre I have is fusion spliced. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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reply to Chele

said by Chele:

What would be the price of a decent(not great, not crappy) fusion splicer?

I don't recall what I paid for mine but I picked it up at Anixter as a factory refurb for a fraction of a new one.
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Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey

Smokeshow
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join:2009-02-26
Cold Lake, AB
reply to Chele

The Corning Unicam system is a very nice way of doing fiber terminations. The new pretium kit you are looking at makes it very simple to install connectors. Fusion splicing may be the best option in terms of performance & versatility, however for what you need to do, mechanical connectors are a very viable option. I install thousands of unicam connectors every year using that kit (Well the older version of it) and it hasn't let me down yet. Fusion splicing is great, and I do perform thousands of splices every year as well, but in my experience there can be a significant cost savings in using cam style connectors over splicing. The materials tend to be less expensive, the equipment is less expensive, and I can prep & terminate 12 fibers faster than I can splice them (single strand loose tube, not ribbon).

Where are you looking to buy from? I would suggest shopping around, as pricing can vary greatly. We get excellent pricing on Corning products through Anixter, and I would recommend checking them out.


Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1
reply to Chele

THANKS, folks

I just found the Corning kit that includes other tools(that I would use with a fusion splicer as well) for $1,100 used--but new:). I'll get that for this job. You have really peaked my curiosity about the fusion splicers and need to get myself educated about them. I found the fusion splicers starting at $2K for the refurbished units with 90-180 day warranties. Fujikuras are quite common in Ebay, are they any good? What brands/models do you fellows use? Please don't name the Ferraris of this world, Chevys and Toyotas will be fine:)

BTW, where is a good forum related to this medium? I have found quite a bit of info in Youtube, but I would like to find a forum similar to this one.

As always, thanks for your input!


Smokeshow
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join:2009-02-26
Cold Lake, AB

The fiber optic association is a good place to start. Fuji are the workhorse of the industry. The 40s should be able to be had cheap, and are pretty nice units to use (so I've heard).


LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1
reply to Chele

Corning X75 with heatshrink oven.


prairiesky

join:2008-12-08
canada
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reply to Chele

I've been using the AFL fast connectors for my setup. I find them to be AMAZIng. reusable quick and very low loss.

I was ordering cables from sun telecom and they were quite affordable and pretty good quality. It's probably worth taking a look at.



nunya
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reply to Chele

Personally, I think a mechanical kit is a good way to start. Work your way up to a fusion splicer if the needs of the business demand it.
I sold my fusion splicer after I sold my last bucket truck, so I know it's been at least 4 years. Since that time, I can probably count on one hand the times I thought "boy, I wish I still had my fusion splicer".
If you find yourself in the market for a fusion splicer, the Fujikura machines are pretty good. Look for a used 18/19s. *Make sure you get it from some place reputable.

*Many years ago, Ma Bell bought me a new fusion splicer. The invoice with the machine was $25,900.00. About a month later, somebody cut the locks at the shop and pried open every splicing trailer. They took every splicer, generator, FOTS, etc...
Three months later Bell Security found most of them on eBay and recovered them. I actually got the exact same splicer and t-berd returned to me.
Fujikura keeps a "hot sheet" on stolen machines. At the very least you want to have a unit you can send in for service without having to worry if it's stolen.
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lutful
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reply to Chele

said by Chele:

I found the fusion splicers starting at $2K for the refurbished units with 90-180 day warranties. Fujikuras are quite common in Ebay, are they any good? What brands/models do you fellows use? Please don't name the Ferraris of this world, Chevys and Toyotas will be fine:)

JiLong fusion splicers and cleavers are quite affordable. They are used widely in Asia.
»www.jilongfiber.com/

Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1
reply to Chele

Thanks everyone.

We ended up buying that same kit from someone on Craigslist for $1100. The fellow included a VFL, several connectors(around 20), and some fiber. He bought it and used only to learn how to do it, and it shows!---the unit is spotless! To the fellows that do fiber on a regular basis: what do you do to drum up business?

We will keep checking on splicers.

To all, thank you.


wirelessdog

join:2008-07-15
Queen Anne, MD
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1 recommendation

reply to Chele

Funny, in 15 years I've never heard anyone speak positive things about Unicam until this thread. I've always cut and polished.



MatrixHDV

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to Chele

said by Chele:

The fellow included a VFL,

You will find that to be an extremely handy tool to have, I bought an Anritsu VFL which resembles a pen and always have it on hand.



Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1
reply to Smokeshow

said by Smokeshow:

The fiber optic association is a good place to start. Fuji are the workhorse of the industry. The 40s should be able to be had cheap, and are pretty nice units to use (so I've heard).

Several of the videos in Youtube are from the FOA. Their videos are somewhat bland but very informative. Are there any fiber forums similar to this? I don't want to "over stay" my welcome by posting topics that are not wireless related Besides, I like to read users' conversations (such as this forum) rather than one sided blogs or press releases as I have been finding on my own.

raytaylor

join:2009-07-28
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reply to MatrixHDV

said by MatrixHDV:

I do a lot of SM fiber both in-building and out and personally I would go for a fusion splicer and use pre terminated pigtails.

f**k thats a smart idea. I have a bunch of telco fibre sitting in a paddock and im a little nervous and dont know where to start with regards to terminating it etc.

But thats a really smart idea that hadnt occured to me - preterminated pigtales and then fusioning them to the end of a cable.


Inssomniak
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Cayuga, ON
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Yea thats how Ive frequently seen it done around here.
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raytaylor

join:2009-07-28
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reply to Chele

said by Chele:

Are there any fiber forums similar to this? I don't want to "over stay" my welcome by posting topics that are not wireless related Besides, I like to read users' conversations (such as this forum) rather than one sided blogs or press releases as I have been finding on my own.

I have asked the same question before - but there arent really any fibre forums with people like us that are primarily running a wisp and having to get into fibre to stay competitive.

So it was said to me that everyone here is happy to discuss fibre also as its something many of us are interested in but there isnt really a forum like this that exists with any decent userbase.

I have been watching what prairesky says - look up his old posts. I am thinking i will do the same and go with sun telecom stuff with a fusion splicer off ebay.


MatrixHDV

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL

said by raytaylor:

I have asked the same question before - but there arent really any fibre forums with people like us that are primarily running a wisp and having to get into fibre to stay competitive.

Other than here, I doubt you will find a family of skills that matches this forum and bringing fiber into the mix seems to me like progress well needed.

prairiesky

join:2008-12-08
canada
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reply to Chele

This is the place to ask, a lot of people have dabbled in fiber in this forum...

Has no one else tried the AFL fast connectors? I can do em in like 2 minutes and find them to be great, even reusable....



Killa200
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Southeast TN
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Never dealt with the field installable connector ends, but I have dealt with these since we do have a splicer: »www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/lan···onnector


Chele

join:2003-07-23
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Well, it's good to know we can post here fiber related questions.
Killa200
Those are really nice connectors, they are very reasonably priced units--the only drawback is that it seems you have to buy 100 at a time:(


LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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reply to Killa200

said by Killa200:

Never dealt with the field installable connector ends, but I have dealt with these since we do have a splicer: »www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/lan···onnector

Most of my fibre is loose tube and would be very flimsy not to splice into a tray.
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Killa200
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said by LLigetfa:

said by Killa200:

Never dealt with the field installable connector ends, but I have dealt with these since we do have a splicer: »www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/lan···onnector

Most of my fibre is loose tube and would be very flimsy not to splice into a tray.

I do loose tube with it as well, but only in the rare circumstance, and it is usually accompanied with some type of wrap to as close to the connector as I can get. Generally if I am doing 6 or more terminations at a location, I use a whip with a breakout in whatever quantity and connector I need. Less than that I burn on individual pigtails.

LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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The textbook way to do it is to use a fan-out but trying to thread all the fibers into it is a PITA.
»www.newtechindustries.com/outsid···iber-25/
»www.eaglephotonics.com/eshop/ccs···nge.html
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Killa200
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said by LLigetfa:

The textbook way to do it is to use a fan-out but trying to thread all the fibers into it is a PITA.

I've dealt with a fan out once or twice, and that is the conclusion I walked away with as well. I'd much rather use a tray and break it out, or burn on ends where feasible.

viper3431

join:2003-04-21
STL, MO

We always use fan out kits in all of our enclosures, and our largest jobs are only 24 count in most cases. The trick is icky clean (or similar) and then baby powder. The strands will slide right through every time!


viper3431

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STL, MO
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reply to Chele

My entire department is certified through the FOA. We can do any type of termination and have a unicam kit but we rarely touch it. Fusion splicing to pigtails is the way to go, and quicker when doing a few dozen strands. I trained on a Fujikura 40s but use a 60s daily. It is an excellent unit with USA support and service.

Unicams might get you off the ground but I would fusion splice and never look back. We buy mostly from Fiber Instrument Sales. I've never ordered anything that wasn't in stock or less than 1 day out.

At any rate...good luck!



Rhaas
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join:2005-12-19
Bernie, MO
reply to Chele

I prefer the preterm 12 count blunt pigtails for doing patch bays:



All we do is loose tube although I wish we'd go to ribbon as we have a couple of 288ct cables out there and they will bring the suck if they get cut..

Different bay:





this is as good of a place as any to discuss doing fiber though.
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