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Re: Blackberry share trading halted.EDL BB going private

I find the whole idea of shareholders suing companies to be completely ridiculous. It's like suing a casino because you lost.

Despite this, it became a big headline in the news. In fact, there's been a lot of negative press against BB lately. I'm not even sure Fairfax is still interested in BB at this stage. Do you really want to buy a failed company that keeps getting hammered daily in the press?

Blackberry now facing a class action lawsuit by shareholders claiming to have been misled (which i have to agree, their complaint is pretty reasonable).

»www.cbc.ca/news/business/blackbe···?cmp=rss

BB has already been making the rounds to make sure if anyone foreign is involved it won't be a tough hurdle to jump.

Cerberus would have to face an Investment Canada Act review, Fairfax wouldn't.... that's a pretty big advantage for the Fairfax bid if they are able to scrape the funds together.

And now Cerberus is interested in BB.
This the same fund that bought Chrysler and ran it into the ground.

What makes you think BlackBerry isn't delivering your phone contents to the NSA? They have a business presence in the US (the US government themselves are a major customer, and they have an office in Texas), which means that they'd have to provide Canadian personal information if required to do so by the US government. It doesn't matter where the servers are located when they have a business presence in the US.
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Sideloading apps, is great, but joe public doesn't want to jump hoops to get those apps (to use your example). They want to press the "store" app and get just get it.

Very nice DF

Having used both, in my opinion BB10 has a leg up on Android, app selection aside. The Q10 is a bit underwhelming, but the Z10 is a great phone. Overpriced given their weak market position and year old technical specs, but a great phone nonetheless.

You don't get the market penetration without the apps, you don't get the apps without the market penetration. Classic catch-22 situation. Making BB10 compatible with Android apps gets you out of it.

I agree.but it circles around to the same question, why buy a BB10 that runs "some' 'droid apps, when I can get the real thing , for the same price or less.

Indeed, the whole "runs android apps too" thing was an admission of defeat, and a bizarre decision.

at the very least, they should have included native support for Android applications (not this sideload bs). Could have hooked up with one of the third party app stores (like Amazon).

And the definitive lack of apps is going to keep mainstream users away.

It definitely is just about catching up. The problem is that they're a whole bunch of years too late to do it. Had they acted in time, they could have converted the existing enormous BlackBerry market over to a modern smartphone, at which point their marketshare would have been far more resistant to Apple or Google. As it is now, they don't have to convince Blackberry users to convert (because there aren't many of them, relatively speaking), but they've got to convince Apple and Google users. And there's near zero chance of that, because BB10 doesn't offer anything that would convince an iOS or Android user to switch.
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And Microsoft can afford to weather the losses while building those ecosystems. They still have their Windows and Office platforms bringing in tons of cash.

Their stocks have also taken a beating, but not at the level RIM/BB has. Your company is in trouble and you rebrand.. WTF? What did that cost.
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Yeah, BBM has no value left except for communicating with people already on BBM. The other platforms now have "good enough" competing solutions like iMessage or Hangouts.

I think the SMS 2.0 strategy could have worked if they had gotten in early enough, but then, BB10 could have been way more successful if it had come out in 2009, which is when it should have come out. What killed Blackberry was taking 6 years to come out with a modern smartphone after the industry shifted abruptly in 2007.

I get that the iPhone and Android might catch a company off-guard, so expecting a competitor in 2007 or 2008 is unreasonable. But the events of 2007/2008 (being the release of the iPhone and Android) should have been the starting gun to refocus. Instead, RIM was totally dismissive of it, much like Microsoft was. Microsoft's misreading of the market caused them to lose essentially all their marketshare, but they've got an ecosystem behind them now that is helping them build it back. RIM doesn't have the ecosystem that everybody else does (Google has all their apps/services, Apple has iTunes and OS X, Microsoft has Windows/XBox/etc), so getting in at the ground floor was the solution to that, and they missed it.
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The problem is BBM has been surpassed by things like hangouts and KIK and other similar apps.

If it had gotten off the ground in the first place, we'd all be using it and RIM wouldn't be in trouble today.