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[DSL] SmartRG SR505N ModemI now have two of these, which I am checking out during the next few days, and hope to give a little report afterward. I may be able to answer (simple) (specific) technical questions in the meantime. (I have access to both IKNS and 7330 remotes.) This modem has 1/6th the volume and 1/5th the mass of the (syncnosurf) (IKNS-inside) SagemCom, and uses 40% less power. » www.smartrg.com/site/sma ··· heet.pdf» www.lmi.net/wp-content/u ··· 350N.pdf -- a manual for similar modems |
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smartrg12
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2013-Sep-23 4:55 pm
if possible please post line statistics for the SmartRG and Sagemcom on the IKANOS remote. |
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 HiVolt
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Looking forward to seeing how well it works and syncs on a Stinger (IKNS) remote...
I'm holding back a bit before buying one... Mainly i want to see if it can maintain 10meg upload, my line can handle 10meg up on the Cellpipe and Sagemcom modems. |
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said by Anon80:if possible please post line statistics for the SmartRG and Sagemcom on the IKANOS remote. If someone, who has actually done it, shows me an easy, effective, minimal effort, Unix-based way to get line statistics from a Sagemcom, I'm willing to do that. So long as I can "just do it", rather than it becoming a project on its own.  FWIW, the command line interface on the SmartRG is a severely restricted Busybox shell. There is an adsl command, but it doesn't even show Far End Vendor. Ditto for the Device Info > Statistics > xDSL menu option on the Web GUI. Elsewhere HiVolt wrote that IKNS and 7330 have profiles 12 and 17, respectively. The SmartRG's adsl command does show profile. (17a for here (7330) -- IKNS is elsewhere -- I can check tomorrow.) |
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said by HiVolt: ... how well it works and syncs on a Stinger (IKNS) remote ... if it can maintain 10meg upload ... Can you suggest a test that I could run for you? Presumably you mean 10Mb/s, but how much data? What protocol? TCP? UDP? Would you like me to netcat or ssh from one Bell host to another, SmartRG to SmartRG, IKNS to 7330? And also Sagemcom to Sagemcom? Make you a Tomato Real-Time chart (2s display intervals, for 10 minutes = 750MB). Or? (Please don't say "Microsoft" or "install" or "create an account".) BTW, have you jailbroken a Sagemcom? |
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I would think a simple speedtest.net run would verify if the modem can support 10 megs upload
Alot of people (myself included) are also interested in whether the modem can support the same 10 megs upload when the modem is used in bridge mode (the sagemcom doesn't support full speed in bridge mode)
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tekkky124
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2013-Sep-25 10:40 am
i second that, while connected via IKNS remote, please post speedtest as well as a screenshot as seen here » [DSL] SmartRG Bridge Mode |
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Could you please clarify exactly what you mean by "Sagemcom in bridge mode", so that I can replicate that result?
Interesting that there is so much interest in performance questions, and none (yet) in questions about design, UI, functionality, implementation, and quality. |
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HiVolt
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said by planiwa:Can you suggest a test that I could run for you? Presumably you mean 10Mb/s, but how much data? What protocol? TCP? UDP?
Would you like me to netcat or ssh from one Bell host to another, SmartRG to SmartRG, IKNS to 7330? And also Sagemcom to Sagemcom?
Make you a Tomato Real-Time chart (2s display intervals, for 10 minutes = 750MB). Or? (Please don't say "Microsoft" or "install" or "create an account".)
BTW, have you jailbroken a Sagemcom? I'm more interested what the sync rate is... if it syncs, it will no doubt be able to provide the 10mbps upload thruput. And yes, I have a sagemcom with the telnet access enabled, but i'm not using it at the moment... |
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planiwa
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2013-Sep-25 12:19 pm
Ah. Sync rate is easy. I was reading more into your word "maintain" than you had intended. I just logged into the (IKNS-connected) Sagemcom -- there is no line data at all. Not even sync rate. Not even in syslog. (If you are not using your telnet-capable Sagemcom, maybe I can borrow it to do line-stat comparisons, if you are near M5S. That may be easier than trying to educate one of my Sagemcoms.) Later this afternoon or evening I will go there with the SmartRGs, and a newly configured Tomato router. |
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planiwa
Member
2013-Sep-25 12:43 pm
So here is some data -- 7330
ssh admin@192.168.1.1
admin@192.168.1.1's password:
> help
?
help
logout
exit
quit
reboot
adsl
xdslctl
xtm
brctl
cat
loglevel
logdest
virtualserver
ddns
df
dumpcfg
dumpmdm
meminfo
psp
kill
dumpsysinfo
dnsproxy
syslog
echo
ifconfig
ping
ps
pwd
sntp
sysinfo
tftp
wlctl
arp
defaultgateway
dhcpserver
dns
lan
lanhosts
passwd
ppp
restoredefault
savedefault
cleardefault
route
save
swversion
uptime
cfgupdate
swupdate
exitOnIdle
wan
mcpctl
modelname
configorigin
macaddr
> echo $(help)
Built-in commands: ------------------ . : alias break cd chdir continue eval exec exit export false hash help let local pwd read readonly return set shift source times trap true type ulimit umask unalias unset wait
> uptime
1D 20H 35M 28S
> adsl info --show
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 28227 Kbps, Downstream rate = 113177 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 11328 Kbps, Downstream rate = 26943 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex A
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 30.3 21.9
Attn(dB): 9.8 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 14.1 -14.9
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: 26 56
B: 237 118
M: 1 2
T: 64 50
R: 16 16
S: 0.2810 0.6662
L: 7232 3050
D: 1 1
I: 254 127
N: 254 254
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 35514329 1115582
OHFErr: 2 15
RS: 2272902892 95951
RSCorr: 6 28
RSUnCorr: 4 0
Bearer 0
HEC: 3 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 4005208926 0
Data Cells: 23852839 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 2 15
SES: 0 0
UAS: 252 252
AS: 160282
Bearer 0
INP: 0.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 4.51 8.36
OR: 56.72 59.32
AgR: 27000.29 11387.01
Bitswap: 12/12 384/384
> exit
Bye bye. Have a nice day!!!
Connection to 192.168.1.1 closed.
=== EDIT 1313 -- same line, other SmartRG modem: ===
telnet 192.168.1.1
Trying 192.168.1.1...
Connected to 192.168.1.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
BCM963268 Broadband Router
Login: admin
Password:
> uptime
0D 0H 12M 2S
> adsl info --show
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 27790 Kbps, Downstream rate = 114009 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 11328 Kbps, Downstream rate = 26943 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex A
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 30.1 21.9
Attn(dB): 9.8 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 14.2 -15.2
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: 26 56
B: 237 118
M: 1 2
T: 64 50
R: 16 16
S: 0.2810 0.6662
L: 7232 3050
D: 1 1
I: 254 127
N: 254 254
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 31241 16947
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 1985316 846861
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 7304111 0
Data Cells: 12032 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 603 603
AS: 141
Bearer 0
INP: 0.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 4.51 8.36
OR: 56.72 59.32
AgR: 27000.29 11387.01
Bitswap: 13/13 0/0
> exit
Bye bye. Have a nice day!!!
Connection closed by foreign host. |
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HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Sep-25 2:21 pm
Very nice detailed stats thru telnet... and it shows the VDSL2 profile, which it doesnt in the web interface that someone posted before... Quick and dirty way to see if you're on a Stinger or not.
One stat it seems to lack is approximate distance. But attenuation numbers are there so its easy to compare to different lines. |
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said by planiwa:Could you please clarify exactly what you mean by "Sagemcom in bridge mode", so that I can replicate that result?
Interesting that there is so much interest in performance questions, and none (yet) in questions about design, UI, functionality, implementation, and quality. Bridge mode is when you use your own router to handle the ppoe session rather than the sagemcom (or smartrg) modem. People that switch sagemcom modems to bridge mode have noted a speed penalty and I was curious if the smartrg had this speed penalty or not. Don't have a sagemcom so can't really tell ya how to put it into bridge mode. Here's an article about putting the sagemcom in bridge mode » How to put Sagemcom 2864 in bridge mode? |
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I didn't express myself clearly enough: I wrote: "Could you please clarify exactly what you mean by "Sagemcom in bridge mode", so that I can replicate that result?" I should have written: "Could you please clarify exactly what you mean by "Sagemcom in bridge mode", so that I can replicate YOUR result?" Can you please show your own results: Sagemcom in "bridge mode" and not in "bridge mode"? Then (after you specify the settings for each), I will do my best to accommodate your request. ) ===> Edit: Best I can tell, the difference is a myth. But when I post IKNS stats, as planned, probably later tonight, for the SmartRG, we'll know. Especially if it syncs at 10. ===> Edit: It sanc at 10.  |
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mark_c
Anon
2013-Sep-25 5:55 pm
can you post same stats for a stinger/ikns remote?
everything works on 7330... |
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planiwa
Member
2013-Sep-25 11:48 pm
So, here are the results from the IKNS-Remote connected site: > adsl info --show adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status Status: Showtime Last Retrain Reason: 8000 Last initialization procedure status: 0 Max: Upstream rate = 13912 Kbps, Downstream rate = 75761 Kbps Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 11316 Kbps, Downstream rate = 26943 Kbps Link Power State: L0 Mode: VDSL2 Annex A VDSL2 Profile: Profile 12a TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0) Trellis: U:ON /D:ON Line Status: No Defect Training Status: Showtime Down Up SNR (dB): 30.3 7.8 Attn(dB): 10.4 0.0 Pwr(dBm): 14.2 -14.0 VDSL2 framing Bearer 0 MSGc: 26 44 B: 237 238 M: 1 1 T: 64 13 R: 16 16 S: 0.2810 0.6711 L: 7232 3040 D: 1 1 I: 254 255 N: 254 255 Counters Bearer 0 OHF: 20827 8536 OHFErr: 0 0 RS: 1318815 554697 RSCorr: 0 0 RSUnCorr: 0 0 Bearer 0 HEC: 0 0 OCD: 0 0 LCD: 0 0 Total Cells: 4870098 0 Data Cells: 4671 0 Drop Cells: 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 ES: 0 1 SES: 0 1 UAS: 173 173 AS: 93 Bearer 0 INP: 0.00 0.00 INPRein: 0.00 0.00 delay: 0 0 PER: 4.51 10.94 OR: 56.72 36.53 AgR: 27000.29 11352.67 Bitswap: 0/12 0/0 And the Speedtest.Net results: 8ms 25.20Mb/s 10.10Mb/s » www.speedtest.net/my-res ··· 92271013Anything else? === Edit === Speedtest.Net results for 7330: 8ms 24.91ms 10.19ms » www.speedtest.net/my-res ··· 92370216 |
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HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Sep-26 8:55 am
Sweet, it seems to sync nice at 11.3meg on stinger, with similar attenuation numbers like my line... Thanks a lot! |
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Is that an internal test result?
I tried two Bell FTTn VDSL lines (Ikanos) in GTA, no one was able to sync. Do you know what is the reason, Bell profile or CPE settings? |
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To set the Modem up in Bridge Mode:
Advanced Setup > WAN Service
(Remove the PPPoE interface, then ...)
[Add]
"Wan Service Interface Configuration"
Select ptm0/(0_1_1)
[Next]
"WAN Service Configuration"
Select WAN service type: Bridging
Enter 802.1P Priority ...... [1]
Enter 802.1Q, VLAN ID ... [35]
[Next]
[Save/Apply] |
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HiVolt
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HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Sep-30 9:09 am
said by planiwa:To set the Modem up in Bridge Mode: Much appreciated! |
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i don't have a sagemcom so can't provide any of my info. The reason i've been waiting to go to VDSL is I didn't want to have to by a modem with the issues sagemcom has so wanted to see if the new smartrg modem has the same issues.
From your tests it looks like I'll be able to pull the trigger on the smartrg
Thanks for your work
Alistair |
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said by akmeikle:From your tests it looks like I'll be able to pull the trigger on the smartrg Yeah. I'm on a stinger. I'm not entirely convinced this modem is stable and reliable on a stinger, and at $120+, I'm not willing to take that chance. I have enough electronics masquerading as paperweights. I'm going to wait a few more months. My 15/1 that's actually 15/.8 is solid as a rock. Mike |
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HiVolt
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HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Sep-30 4:54 pm
Success on a stinger here! woo! full sync rate and full speed in bridge mode! Better stats than I had on Cellpipe or Sagemcom modems. This is on a connection roughly 950ft from the remote. 
BCM963268 Broadband Router
Login: admin
Password:
> adsl info --show
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 8000
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 15592 Kbps, Downstream rate = 63416 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 11321 Kbps, Downstream rate = 53951 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex A
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 12a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 10.9 9.3
Attn(dB): 11.4 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 14.2 -10.6
VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: 16 45
B: 239 240
M: 1 1
T: 64 22
R: 0 14
S: 0.1416 0.6764
L: 13560 3016
D: 1 1
I: 240 255
N: 240 255
Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 269968 54933
OHFErr: 2 0
RS: 0 3625059
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 0
HEC: 2 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 63543261 0
Data Cells: 1477716 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 1 1
SES: 0 1
UAS: 75 75
AS: 614
Bearer 0
INP: 0.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 2.27 11.20
OR: 77.38 36.41
AgR: 54028.94 11357.29
Bitswap: 0/7 0/0
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sasd3
Anon
2013-Sep-30 4:57 pm
wow, looks good
what was your max attainable upload on the sagem?
i am on teksavvy too, where did you buy your smartrg? |
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HiVolt
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HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Sep-30 4:58 pm
on the Sagemcom it was in the 14000's... I got it thru a friend who's a Start customer. |
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sasd3
Anon
2013-Sep-30 5:07 pm
grrr, i want a Start customer friend too!
report on long term stability HiVolt |
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HiVolt
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HiVolt
Premium Member
2013-Sep-30 5:22 pm
Yeah, i'll report if I encounter any instability... I'm using it exclusively in bridge mode, wifi disabled, so I wont be able to comment on its routing or wifi capabilities...
Also worth mentioning I'm using two routers, with two concurrent pppoe sessions for two logins, one TSI the other Bell. |
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Hmm, one of my buddies just signed up with Start specifically because they had the SmartRG ready to go and other IISPs did not (he had a deadline to switch due to an existing contract ending)... I should borrow his new modem and see how it compares on my line to the Sagemcom... |
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Just got off the phone with Start. Modem should be shipped out in a day or so, and no issues not having internet with them.
Thanks for putting this together, Rocca! |
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Update: About an hour ago I set the modem up for Bridge Mode. Then I took it to the IKNS-Stinger site where Start installs tomorrow. I plugged in the modem, plugged the phone line into the DSL port, plugged the Tomato router's WAN line into LAN1, watched the DSL light sync, and the Tomato router's Internet light come on. The whole operation took about 2 minutes. Then I returned here to adjust the Tomato router's configuration remotely, because it was at 192.168.1.1, same as the modem. So now the Tomato router is at 192.168.0.1, and I fixed the static settings and the BW-Limiter settings, and cancelled the leases. I now have remote access to the SmartRG (through the Tomato Router). With the modem in Bridge Mode, there was no need to change anything in the Tomato router, except the router's IP address (and subnet), in order to access the modem. So, after the Start service is installed tomorrow, I can simply change the username and password in the Tomato router. (I imagine the scary moment will be when Bell service is discontinued in a week, and there is a possibility of something being disconnected accidentally then. ) |
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