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Re: [Serious] Should consumer border limits be abolished? said by digitalfutur:Unless that changes, products sold for retail in Canada will never match USA prices. It's always amusing to hear people complaining about higher gas and other prices in Canada, they're thinking only of their personal cost, and not the societal benefit.
Most especially health insurance.... |
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 corsterPremium join:2002-02-23 Gatineau, QC | reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:said by elwoodblues:For me, it's going to cost me about a tank of gas to drive to Buffalo and back (a little over $70 at today's gas prices) . uhh, you're going to the US so gas would probably be about $45 there. You'd be foolish to fill a tank of gas in Canada if you're going to be in the US. Tell me about it. I'm an hour away from the border, so I don't go too often, but when I do, you can be damn sure my gas light is going on just as I hit the bridge. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:said by elwoodblues:For me, it's going to cost me about a tank of gas to drive to Buffalo and back (a little over $70 at today's gas prices) . uhh, you're going to the US so gas would probably be about $45 there. You'd be foolish to fill a tank of gas in Canada if you're going to be in the US. Some of us border people occasionally hop over just to get gas. Ok then 35 one way and 22.50 the other, that's still almost 60 bucks in costs i have to consider shopping in the US. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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 | This illustrates the difference in monetary benefits based on the proximity to the border. You might care more about the government claiming they can fix price disparities while those of us that live near the border shrug at such ideas. |
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said by urbanriot:That $40 Liberal Eco tax, ......
You really meant to say the "Conservative Let's Pollute the Planet Forever for Our Kids Lack of Recycling Fee", didn't you? |
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said by elwoodblues:When I was looking for tires 2yrs ago I factored all that in, and it was cheaper in the end to buy it at Costco(again time is excluded since value can't really be assessed).
Continental/Dunlop warranty covers both Canada & US. If you brose Tirerack.com you'll see that some of Continental/Dunlop's tires are amongst the higher rated ones. |
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said by corster:Tell me about it. I'm an hour away from the border, so I don't go too often, but when I do, you can be damn sure my gas light is going on just as I hit the bridge.
Paid $1.05/litre US on Wednesday in Amherst, NY for PREMIUM - but remember that ALL US gas has at least 10% ethanol - which reduces mileage but not to the extent that it negates the price differential. Shell premium in Canada has no ethanol but it was $1.42 on Wednesday. |
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 corsterPremium join:2002-02-23 Gatineau, QC | I only use Regular gas, so there's ethanol in that, regardless of which side of the border I buy it. |
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 booj join:2011-02-07 Richmond, ON | Regular regularly contains 10% ethanol. |
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·Cogeco Cable
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said by MaynardKrebs:said by urbanriot:That $40 Liberal Eco tax, ......
You really meant to say the "Conservative Let's Pollute the Planet Forever for Our Kids Lack of Recycling Fee", didn't you? No, it was a Liberal initiative and the Conservatives are against this form of taxation and rightfully so, since it doesn't go towards what people believe it's intended for and the collection fees are collected per-device estimated cost rather than covering the actual costs of recycling. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to corster
said by corster:I only use Regular gas, so there's ethanol in that, regardless of which side of the border I buy it.
that depends where you buy it from...Regular gas at most stations contains up to 10% ethanol...i buy my gas at Real Canadian Superstore, and none of their blends have ethanol in them...however, all the major gas chains (Petro-Canada, Shell, etc) all have ethanol in their regular blends of gasoline...it is also why you should NEVER use regular gas in your gas can for your outdoor equipment (lawnmowers, snowblowers, trimmers, etc). -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | reply to MaynardKrebs
It wasn't the warranty, it was the overall cost that sent me to Costco. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 1 edit | reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:This illustrates the difference in monetary benefits based on the proximity to the border. You might care more about the government claiming they can fix price disparities while those of us that live near the border shrug at such ideas.
I understand, and it's about cost, if my costs can be covered (I'll could factor time, but the value is variable) to get to the border and "shop" then hell yeah.
I'd find it difficult to spend enough (one trip) to save more then my fuel costs. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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said by dirtyjeffer:that depends where you buy it from...Regular gas at most stations contains up to 10% ethanol...i buy my gas at Real Canadian Superstore, and none of their blends have ethanol in them...however, all the major gas chains (Petro-Canada, Shell, etc) all have ethanol in their regular blends of gasoline...it is also why you should NEVER use regular gas in your gas can for your outdoor equipment (lawnmowers, snowblowers, trimmers, etc). How do you know for certain that RCSS doesn't have Ethanol in their gas? Just because there isn't some label in a prominent location doesn't mean it isn't there.
Also, most outdoor equipment made in the last 10-20 years has no issues using E10. My mother-in-law's lawnmower even has a label on it that says 10% Ethanol Max, similar to cars. It's the real old stuff that one's father handed down to them that could have issues with E10. You need to stabilize the fuel or put premium into those. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | My understanding is that Ethanol was mandated by McGunity and it's at least 10% across the board.
Besides DJ, Loblaws doesn't have a refinery, they buy their gas from "Petro Canada, Shell, etc". |
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·Shaw
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said by digitalfutur:The main reason for the higher prices in Canada, is the higher minimum wage here, at least 30% higher than the U.S. Wages (SG&A) are the largest single line item expense for employers.
Unless that changes, products sold for retail in Canada will never match USA prices. It's always amusing to hear people complaining about higher gas and other prices in Canada, they're thinking only of their personal cost, and not the societal benefit.
It's about a $2 diff between Canada and the US. So that's $160 per employee per month different for min. wage employees. I don't really see that being the difference maker. With the volumes of goods passing through major box stores its probably a small fraction per item?
Edit: I guess the argument could be made that the min. wage people of America have less money to spend on goods, which lowers, demand, which lowers prices. I never thought of that until after i replied. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to Gone
said by Gone: How do you know for certain that RCSS doesn't have Ethanol in their gas? Just because there isn't some label in a prominent location doesn't mean it isn't there.
i asked them...i asked the person working there, who then called the depot to find out if it is in their fuel...i was told no...i then sent an email to their head office to confirm, and was told the same thing...when i was there getting gas, the company who supplies their fuel was filling up the tanks...i asked him, and he confirmed that the fuel they supply to RCSS contains no ethanol in any of their blends.
this is the company that supplies the RCSS in London:
»www.chapplefuels.com
quote: Also, most outdoor equipment made in the last 10-20 years has no issues using E10. My mother-in-law's lawnmower even has a label on it that says 10% Ethanol Max, similar to cars. It's the real old stuff that one's father handed down to them that could have issues with E10. You need to stabilize the fuel or put premium into those.
you should always use fuel stabilizer regardless of what kind of fuel you use, unless you go through the gas in your can reasonably quickly...pretty much every source i have read stated to avoid ethanol fuel in outdoor equipment...i suppose if you have a piece that says it is ok, it should be, but that is likely the exception...ethanol is a terrible fuel and only exists for political reasons...it erodes seals and gums up carbs and can also damage many components in the fuel system due to its water absorption properties...this can also make it a "crappier" fuel in colder climates (like our winter)...your car is leased, so you can use ethanol...we plan to keep our cars for a long time so i don't want that crap in my fuel. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:My understanding is that Ethanol was mandated by McGunity and it's at least 10% across the board.
Besides DJ, Loblaws doesn't have a refinery, they buy their gas from "Petro Canada, Shell, etc".
it is "up to 10%"...if fuel stations wish to dilute their fuel with that crap, that is their prerogative, but they can't exceed 10%...you can buy fuel without ethanol in it, you just need to know who has it and who doesn't (as mentioned, Shell V-Power doesn't contain ethanol either).
as posted already above, the RCSS in London get their fuel from Chapple Fuels.
you can view other stations here:
»pure-gas.org -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | Chapple fuels is a transport company!
Transport and delivery of a variety of petroleum products, including ethanol, and all grades of diesel and gasoline. Along with major oil companies (Suncor, Petro-Canada, Imperial Oil, Marathon Petroleum, etc.), we also supply cardlock locations, both industrial and wholesale sites, as well as independent retail stations -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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Almost all of Ontario get's it's refined gasoline from Nanticoke, Sarnia, or St. Clair refineries, doesn't matter the label on the pump it is all scooped from the same bucket. -- AFK: Attack, fight, kill!! The healer is telling you to go pull mobs. WTF: Way to fight! The healer is applauding your tactical genius |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:Chapple fuels is a transport company!
Transport and delivery of a variety of petroleum products, including ethanol, and all grades of diesel and gasoline. Along with major oil companies (Suncor, Petro-Canada, Imperial Oil, Marathon Petroleum, etc.), we also supply cardlock locations, both industrial and wholesale sites, as well as independent retail stations so...as stated, there are only a few refineries...but companies do put their own "additives" in the blends, depending on where you are.
in any event, i've been using Shell V-Power lately and prefer it anyway, even though it is slightly more money. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | Why would you put Super gas in your econoboxes? |
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 corsterPremium join:2002-02-23 Gatineau, QC | said by elwoodblues:Why would you put Super gas in your econoboxes?
Shell V-Power is ethanol free in Ontario.
A friend of mine tried using V-Power vs. Shell Bronze in his car and essentially broke even on cost - he got enough extra mileage out of V-Power to justify the cost. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:Why would you put Super gas in your econoboxes?
i really only put it in mine...the ET runs fine with regular...my Rio5 runs decent with some regular, not so good with others...it runs very well with V-Power, including improved mileage. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | The mileage part I can understand, but how a car runs "better" with a higher octane of gas, that it doesn't need i don't. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | if you don't understand how fuel in an internal combustion engine works, especially in higher compression direct injected engines, i recommend you go research it yourself...there is more to it than just "higher octane" as "top tier" fuels also have other additives (detergents, etc) to help keep things running better over time. |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand kudos:1 | Most of those additives are marketing crap, our gas is better then their gas because......
it's all the same shit. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | said by elwoodblues:Most of those additives are marketing crap, our gas is better then their gas because......
it's all the same shit.
as i said, you don't understand...if you want to educate yourself on the matter, do so...posting nonsense like that only makes you look silly. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 yabos join:2003-02-16 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:The mileage part I can understand, but how a car runs "better" with a higher octane of gas, that it doesn't need i don't.
Lower octane gas detonates easier. High fuel pressure and high compression direct injection engines can get pre-detonation using inferior gas which is detected by the car's knock sensor. The car's computer compensates by pulling timing which reduces the power but stops damage to your engine from pre-detonation. Running a higher octane gas will reduce or eliminate knocking and give you better power output. Most cars can run on regular but might not always be running as efficient as they could be. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | that. ^^
to add further to it, in a direct injection engine, it is believed to be even more important to use a top tier fuel...in a standard fuel injected car, the fuel injectors spray the fuel in a throttle body and the air/fuel mixture then flows through the intake manifolds, into the combustion chamber when the intake valves open, then combusts at its appropriate time...the air/fuel mixture travelling through the intake manifold and across the intake valves also cleans those components (and keeps them clean over time)...in a direct injected engine, the fuel is sprayed directly into the combustion chamber, so a mist of fuel (and its cleaning agents) cleaning that part of the engine is not possible...this is why it has been suggested to ensure you use a quality fuel, as and debris that may build on other components will be harder to clean (or not able to be cleaned off, aside from a valve job, or whatever).
in normal driving conditions, my Rio5 runs fine on regular...but if you do accelerate briskly (say, to pass someone), especially when the engine is under load (accelerating in a slightly higher gear, but not hard enough to force a kickdown), you can hear some knocking/pinging in the engine...the engine will compensate for it, likely preventing any damage, but i'd rather spend the extra $3 and just put better gas in it. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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