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Re: [Serious] Should consumer border limits be abolished?

But we're talking about econoboxes here, not some high end car.

True, but even econoboxes are moving towards direct injection for better fuel economy. Knock can still happen in any car be it an econobox or a turbo charged Mazdaspeed3 like mine.

Heh, you should see the pictures of the carbon build up on the intake valves in some Mazdaspeed engines. I'm sure mine's quite bad as well. Some people get secondary injectors and spray methanol into the intake runners which reduces knock, allows more power, and cleans the valves at the same time.

I would question the fit and finish of your new cars against my Escape. I've driven in them, there is a night and day difference (and my Escape has been on the road 9yrs now) from what I've seen and experienced.

i've been in plenty of Escapes from that era (there are 3 of them in the parking lot here at work)...they are typical of a Ford trucklet of that era...the fit and finish in my Rio5 is praised quite highly in reviews, which is partly why it has been Car of the Year in its category the last 2 years (2012 and 2013 MY).

your comment makes me think you haven't been in an SX trim (which is what mine is)...if you have, and you can seriously make that comment, i really question your judgement.
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Mines a limited, it's an 05, on the road in 04

Did you think to compare the interior of your 2012 (or is it a 2011?) Rio to a 2011/2012 Escape, perhaps? A lot changed in the last ten years.

You mean MTO

And yeah, if drawing a direct comparison between the Rio and the 2013 Escape, the Rio definitely looks more economy than the Escape.

The 2012 looks like a truck cabin, as expected.

The new Escape's interior looks very similar to Hyundai's Fluidic Sculpture design they've been using for the last few years. Ford's new design language is very similar to Hyundai's, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. The Kia interior looks very similar to Hyundai's pre-FS design language and appears dated in comparison. I suppose it is all a matter of preference, though.

What's even more interesting is the guy from Hyundai who came up with Fluidic Sculpture fled to the greener pastures of Mercedes-Benz shortly after Hyundai began to implement it, so the Germans are going to going down that same path soon enough, too.

Wow, this whole page is about cars!

When did it change from "consumer border limits"?

Most of the internets follows Godwin's Law whilst we usually wrap up threads with an automotive theme.

I had to look at bringing tires across, though I bought them locally.

Reviewers haven't said a bad thing about Hyundai styling, either. It's already next-generation and you're going to start seeing more and more designs like this from even the Germans in the future.

As for your Kia, it is a very conservative design. There's nothing bold about it. Same about their body designs, there's nothing about them that stands out to make you instantly know it's a Kia versus a Toyota or a Honda. I could care less what you or other reviewers say. That interior looked dated ten years ago, let alone today. Their exterior styling is like Hyundai prior to the fluidic sculpture (aka boring). Maybe when Hyundai does their next design refresh in a decade or so they'll hand off what they're using to Kia. Until then, that's my opinion and no one is going to change my mind.

It's all relative.

I just upgraded from a 1992 Saturn to a 1994 Sable, so the Sable seems ultra-modern.

there hasn't been much negative (if any) reviews regarding Hyundai styling, and i never said as such...however, that new Escape (which what my comment was about) is terrible...it's as if it is full of angles and creases just for the sake of having them, not for any real purpose...to me, it looks over styled...it's why i'm not a fan of a few of the new Ford products (in terms of looks, as the Fiesta i drove before by the Kia was similar).

as i said before, i think it looks very good, especially for its price, and it's one of the reasons why i bought it (it's not a penalty box of a car to drive in)...and that opinion is shared not just by me, but by the numerous reviewers who give it top marks in the class...as also mentioned, it has won its category for car of the year the last two years (2012 and 2013)...so you're free to have your opinion on it, but it's not one shared by many.
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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Ford took Hyundai's graceful lines and took it to an extreme thinking it would look cooler. They did the same thing with their exterior styling. Personally I see it as a shitty job of copying, but not what I'd call bad.

Kia isn't bad, either. It's just boring. I will bet here right now that in the next 3-5 years they will move toward styling similar to what Hyundai (and Ford, poorly) have already been doing for that long.

it's certainly possible...style is something that often changes...i guess what i consider a clean understated look, you consider boring...while i don't mind the look of most newer Hyundais inside, that Ford (like you said) seems like they took it up 6 notches...it's just too much.

I've been looking on-line for a part (lower control arm with ball joint) for my 300m. Yesterday I was on a "Canadian" version website of what I think was a US car-parts vendor. The site had a Canadian flag and made the point of mentioning that the price you pay at checkout is the final, total price. No extra taxes, duties, fees or other surprises later when you receive the order.

The part I was looking at was listed at $40. I selected "add to cart" and then went to the check-out, where the part was listed at $40, and the delivery charge was -> $80.

This is the sort of bullshat that need to be eliminated. If I was in the US, the shipping cost would be $8.95.