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[Networking] Should I switch to 75/35 Internet?

I currently have 50/25 Internet and Verizon is now offering 75/25 for $10/month more. Is it worth it?

[Networking] Re: Should I switch to 75/35 Internet?

What are you doing online?

Mostly internet browsing, email and some downloading.

To get the deal you probably have to sign up for another 2yr contract, so if that's okay for you and 10 dollars isn't much to you then why not if you need it. From the sounds of it you probably won't really notice the speed difference however.

I have 75/35 and used to have 150/65. I went down because I didn't get the benefits for the costs of what I was doing. My link sits mostly unused except for occasional mass downloading. 75/35 is a good balance for me right now, it's nice still being able to pull files at 9MB/sec+ when I need to.

For me jump to 75/35 was 5$ now its 7$ and some cents

I have had 35/35 for quite a while now. When they offered 50/25, I did not bite. Just the other day, they offered me 75/35 and so I took it. The offer was $10 more for 50/25 and $20 more for 75/35. In the end, it probably is not worth it. But, we do often have multiple Netflix and other streams going.

The funny thing about this is that years ago, I thought $20/Month for dial up access was outrageous. Now, I am OK paying that for an increment in speed. Hmmm.

to be fair dial up was 56k and is not even comparable to what were getting from fios =P

considering 50/25 isn't enough for decent youtube, netfix, skype... I wouldn't pay Verizon another dime.

In fact, when I signed up for 50/25 from 15/5 (25/5 with VOD fluff), my speedtests at speedtest.net actually went down.

No. You typical Netflix stream is like 5mbps. So 50 could handle 10 concurrent streams. I have 50/25 only because I do lots of cloud stuff. Most people don't need over 25 down. I used to have 25/25 which was fine but when I did my new bundle they upped me for free.

Save your money

And any speed you choose has the same ping so no real benefit there.

If you have TV also, then there is also about an extra 5mb/sec extra 'fluff' to handle 'on demand'.
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not to mention reliability and latency. i would spend a good 15-30 minutes of the day just trying to find a good phone number to connect to.

Here's the details, you get a 1 month free upgrade to 73/35 internet with a $10 credit. The following month it's $10 more a month for 73/35 internet.

»www.verizon.com/home/MLP/quantum75.html
"Limited–time online offer for existing Verizon FiOS Internet residential customers upgrading to FiOS 73/35 Mbps Internet. $10 discount applied via bill credit for first month; beginning month 2, standard rates apply. Speed upgrade only available to FiOS Internet customers who currently have less than 75/35 Mbps speed. Speed upgrade not available in all areas."

Optimum online's upgrade was FREE (to 101 megabits), so why pay $10 for less speed??

IMO, Verizon should offer the 75mbit as a free upgrade for those who signed up for the 2-year deals, afterall they are getting $20 more per month the second year. It's not 101, but at least its something.

I am on a bundle.

For me it was going from 50/20 to 73/35.

most 50/25 fluff is ~59/35
75/35 fluff should be around 84/42

What does this 75/35 do for gaming? I have 35/35 now.

The MoCA 1.0-2.0 standard adds a nominal 3.5 ms of latency whereas your PHY ethernet 1ms depending upon your router.

Also need to discern MoCA WAN form MoCA LAN. The outbound MoCA WAN (to the interweb) is P2P because there is only the Actiontec and the ONT in the topology. In MoCA LAN (where your STB live) MoCA is in a mesh topology and may have hundreds of feet and thus may have more latency. So pinging you STB is pinging on the MoCA LAN not the WAN where you would be outgoing for gaming.

In the context of gaming, say 60ms of latency ( a very good latency btw) you are talking about 5% more latency which is imperceptible for humans anyways as typical sensory (not reaction time is approximately 200ms).

More likely is the issue w/ the server-side updates and matrix of the game. Something like 3ms is not going to be noticeable in the larger picture.

What is important to know is that w/ gaming it is not greatly bandwidth intensive, so your 15/5 link will perform at approximately the same level of your 500/100 link. A big misconception out there.

So long story is that if you have coax, moving to PHY ethernet will not be noticeable. Once you get to the faster link rates, you need to move to Cat because the Moca1.1 in the devices can't handle the greater speeds.

But make no mistake, if you have the choice up front do Ethernet as it is more future-proof but speed and latency wise (up to 75/35) you are good to go with either setup.

On my install it took the tech at most another 4 minutes to run the Cat 5 cable to my router. If they need to run it 75 feet and through walls, it's not worth their time.

ping by there nature are not reliable over the internet because ICMP is considered a best-effort L4 protocol, and some routers may discard the echo requests or if they are busy hold them in the queue while processing higher priority packets skewing the results.

So I see people constantly floating out pings, and in a LAN they can be reasonable, but on the WAN YMMV and the accuracy more than 1 hop out is highly suspect.

Not saying the ICMP is not an important diagnostic tool, however you must understand the accuracy is highly unpredictable and even more so in modern equipment which greatly de-prioritizes ICMP traffic.

unless you have network taps and are actually measuring actual packet captures and have good reference clocks.

Would be great if the Verizon network actually supported 75/35. I have a gigabit ONT but the CO must still be BPON only. Really sad that they spent all this money to deploy Fios but can't seem to keep the network components up to par across regions.

They are incompatible. If you have a GPON you are Ethernet/IP. BPON runs SONET/ATM which are different L2/L3 protocols.

I believe BPON is OC-12 ds OC-3 us (622/155), but I don't know that for sure. One of the techs can answer that.

Technically they can do like a 4:1 split vs 32:1 (like the 500 tier), but I'm assuming they want to deprecate the ATM OLT cards as much as possible so until they upgrade your area to GPON or newer, you probably won't see major speed increases.

Also BPON areas have a tendency to have older Actiontecs and to go to faster tiers that requires Cat and thus a GPON.

One of the cost decisions that were made I'm sure when originally deployed, they probably didn't think speeds would increase sooo fast.

The cable guys are going metro-E which is better because you can get symmetrical UL/DL speeds and the links are not TDM but switched. Not that that is a big deal, but it certainly helps upload.... VZ can go to WDMPON or the like to get symm so wait at see. The good news is the fibre has plenty of bandwidth....

My original ONT failed after 4 years so they put in the gpon unit just because that's probably all they have.

The router was upgraded to the rev I version and the connection is Ethernet. I asked if he had a new router and he replaced it at the same time.

Curious how many other folks in SE pa can get the 75 service. We were all built out in 2006 or so.

75/35 is available on BPON, just not all BPON ONTs.

If you are on GPON connected via ethernet or MoCA, you should definitely be able to get 75/35. Verizon may have outdated info in their database. If you're on BPON, you need to check the model number of your ONT.
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I thought is was a GPON unit. They replaced it after Sandy. It is a Motorola 1000 - j12. Looks to have 8!! phone lines and a 10/100 link

Quite odd that they would put in an ONT with 8 phone lines to service a customer without any phone lines. Must have been because it was the only inside unit he had on the truck.

»i.dslr.net/syms/a0fbc280081739f8···1b0f.png

The JI2 only supports 2 POTS lines. You are looking at the IDC connections for each line - 4 per line.