| Real Fibre to the home I see ads for Bell 'Fibe' and fttn and ftth, but the last bit is really old-fashioned coax to the home.
Do new houses, maybe ones built at the same time as a bunch of others in the same area, get fibre that really goes into the home? It sounds like it would provide the ultimate in high-speed cable. |
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 MJB
join:2012-01-29 | very unlikely in canada... bell won't upgrade adsl circuits in the city and cable will stay as it is... the use coax hybrid fiber.... ftth is years away unless we demand it from the telecoms... the big guys |
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| I have fiber at home with Bell
175 Mbits download and upload  |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
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Bell does do real FTTH in some places - Quebec City has it, some new construction in Ontario has it (the occasional subdivision or condo high rise), and parts of the Atlantic have it. I think there were some other roll-outs as well... I want to say Sudbury?
Rogers is doing it with some new construction as well (again, the occasional subdivision or condo high rise), but IIRC they're converting to coax inside the premises.
MTS and Sasktel both have FTTH roll-outs, but I don't know what their current FTTH coverage is like.
Past that, there's the occasional municipal broadband effort, and some companies that focus on condo high rises (like Novus in Vancouver). |
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said by [Peasoup :]Do new houses, maybe ones built at the same time as a bunch of others in the same area, get fibre that really goes into the home? It sounds like it would provide the ultimate in high-speed cable.
Apparently they do, via an Optical Network Terminal (ONT) installed in the basement.
Here's a photo of the one Bell Aliant uses:
»andreperusse.com/be/post/2011/10···eOP.aspx
I have yet to see a photo of a Rogers one.
From what I understand, these ONTs are the only communications pipelines in the home - all Internet, TV and phone service is passed through them so you require a special router. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Interestingly the link is for an existing home. In Ontario at least my understanding is that this is for new homes only. Makes sense - provided the high-capacity fibre backhaul is in place, it costs the same to route a fibre underground versus coaxial cable or telephone cable (in fact a bit less as fibre is passive and needs no amplifiers etc.) whereas it costs a lot to add fibre to an existing neighborhood, particularly underground.
What I still don't know is - is there a "class structure" such that only high-end new homes get FTTH? I saw a post recently that made me wonder if only some new homes get FTTH:
»Bury Cable
though that seems to be that the fibre backhaul was not in place. |
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said by MJB:very unlikely in canada... bell won't upgrade adsl circuits in the city and cable will stay as it is... the use coax hybrid fiber.... ftth is years away unless we demand it from the telecoms... the big guys
Please don't speak for millions of other Canadians when you don't even seem to know the facts.
Bell has fiber to the home in a lot of Montreal, Downtown Toronto, and certain other test markets (ie Thorold Ontario).
Cogeco also has Fiber to the Home which is called RFoG (radio frequency over glass) in certain developments.
On bell you can get up to 175/175, where as with Cogeco you don't get any real benefit of additional packages not offered over coax to the home.
Not sure about Rogers though.
Bell Aliant out east has a massive fibre to the home presence. The majority of customers are offered FTTH in Halifax. |
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MJB
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| unless the numbers increase then no.... not when we rank 36th in download speeds.... freedom of speech rights..
i have to use shared cable with congestion... it ain't fare...
canadian's need to be educated....
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to coaxguy
said by coaxguy:Please don't speak for millions of other Canadians when you don't even seem to know the facts.
His area is not upgraded so in his mind that represents all of Canada. |
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MJB
join:2012-01-29 Reviews:
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| at this rate i will get ftth in 2100.... shareholders and ceos get the cash + ad's to convince the public anything is being done.... crtc damn it is bell/rogers/cogeco/shaw/telus/videotron own it... take a look these telecoms are on the nyse and the tsx....
i still support tpia |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by MJB:at this rate i will get ftth in 2100.... shareholders and ceos get the cash + ad's to convince the public anything is being done.... crtc damn it is bell/rogers/cogeco/shaw/telus/videotron own it... take a look these telecoms are on the nyse and the tsx....
i still support tpia
Yes, your life sucks and you want to kill yourself over not having FTTH. zOMG! |
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MJB
join:2012-01-29 | i can live with cable... but why max 10mbits of upload in canada.... why can't it go faster.... omg...
btw these posts have no effect on me... |
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 GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
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said by coaxguy:Bell has fiber to the home in a lot of Montreal, Downtown Toronto, and certain other test markets (ie Thorold Ontario). It's not even a "test" market thing. Every new subdivision where Bell has laid services since 2010 is all Fibre to the Home. For Cogeco it was slightly before that. In Niagara alone you've got...
* Thorold - Rosehaven's new builds in Confederation Heights, all of Rolling Acres, and the new development going in east of Collier Road south of 58
* Niagara Falls - Deerfield Estates north of Glavic, all of the Empire Imagine/Warren Woods development going in along Kalar south of McLeod Road, all of Lyons Creek in Chippawa, all of Thundering Waters and Marinelli Estates.
* St. Catharines - the south half of Lock 3 Estates and all of Broadway Gardens
* Welland - Harvest Estates, some infill near Empire Road, and all the new commercial development going in at Primeway Drive
* Fort Erie - Spears Road Estates, Kingsway Gardens and the new commercial stuff going in next to Walmart
* Stevensville - Village Creek west of Old Mill Road
* Ridgeway - Dominion Woods, Deerwood Lane, Ridgeway-by-the-Lake Phase 2 and some new buildings around Dominion and Prospect Point Road tied into the same fibre as Deerwood Lane (Ridgeway-by-the-Lake is sort of unique - it's FTTH for Cogeco, but not Bell)
* Fonthill - new houses going in around Welland Road and Pelham Street
There could be more, there are just the ones I know of right now. These, among dozens upon dozens of others elsewhere in the province.
When people say there is no FTTH in Canada, you're absolutely right - they're just ignorant of what's out there. |
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MJB
join:2012-01-29 | small town of delaware ftth ... nope... existing neighborhoods... nope.... you need a shovel to get started |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:4 | I take it you've never been to Stevensville...
Oh, and I forgot Niagara-on-the-Lake, the new side of Grand Niagara and all this new stuff going in along York Road is all FTTH, too. |
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| Well I hope I see some ftth in southwestern Ontario near London. :/ |
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said by [Peasoup :]I see ads for Bell 'Fibe' and fttn and ftth, but the last bit is really old-fashioned coax to the home.
Not really sure what you mean by "old-fashioned coax", Bell's FTTH is fibre to the home, that doesn't mean they install fibre into the walls of your home and into rooms. You'd be looking at some very expensive upgrades to your hardware, and unnecessary.
It's fibre to the home and then uses 10/100/1000 Ethernet to distribute across your home for internet and IPTV. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by TypeS:Not really sure what you mean by "old-fashioned coax", Bell's FTTH is fibre to the home, that doesn't mean they install fibre into the walls of your home and into rooms. You'd be looking at some very expensive upgrades to your hardware, and unnecessary.
There would be no purpose for using fibre within the home anyway. It would make sourcing equipment for the avg joe quite a bit more difficult and more expensive. |
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said by MJB:i can live with cable... but why max 10mbits of upload in canada.... why can't it go faster.... omg...
btw these posts have no effect on me...
just for you
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON | i wonder if 175/175 is a limit of the Sagemcom device or if Bell just decided to keep lower than Rogers 250/250. |
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| said by jmck:i wonder if 175/175 is a limit of the Sagemcom device or if Bell just decided to keep lower than Rogers 250/250.
It is probably more a limit of GPON when you use a 16:1 split and do not want to increase the congestion probability at the OLT port level too much after accounting for the 200-300Mbps downstream bandwidth that might be tied up by IPTV. |
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join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
kudos:1 | reply to Peasoup
There are lots of "pockets" of FTTH out there ... many of them rural or new subdivisions, very few of them marketed at all other than "high speed Internet". In some developments it's literally from 1-55 Main St. are traditional phone service for example and from 56-120 Main St. are now served via FTTH. This is because the telco needed to add/change/replace some existing facilities and it made more financial sense to use fiber. Everyone on Main St. is getting the same speeds and services in this example. |
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GonePremium
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said by InvalidError:It is probably more a limit of GPON when you use a 16:1 split and do not want to increase the congestion probability at the OLT port level too much after accounting for the 200-300Mbps downstream bandwidth that might be tied up by IPTV. It's still oversold, but not by much. The assumption is 200Mbit/s per subscriber with 25Mbit/s dedicated to IPTV and voice. The 400Mbit/s on a split dedicated to IPTV and voice can't saturate the available bandwidth, but still leaves a lot left over for data even if everyone was utilizing the entire bandwidth available. |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:4 | reply to AnonMJB
said by [AnonMJB :]Well I hope I see some ftth in southwestern Ontario near London. :/ Parts of London and St. Thomas have it right now. |
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said by coaxguy:Bell Aliant out east has a massive fibre to the home presence. The majority of customers are offered FTTH in Halifax.
Also in Sydney, Nova Scotia.
Not meaning to disparage Sydney residents, but if an economically depressed area like that can get FFTH ........ and it's cheap too »productsandservice.bellaliant.ne···rbody=53 |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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| Practically all of the Maritimes is wired for FTTH. Northern Ontario and swaths of Quebec are on their way to being like that, too.
Economic prosperity has zero to do with any of it, rather when an area has aerial telephone infrastructure it makes it infinitely easier to do this kind of stuff. Most of Southern Ontario, in contrast, is subterranean. Even many rural areas around here still have underground telephone wiring. |
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I Myself have FTTH with Bell in a relatively new (2 year) old neighbourhood in Brampton. I have 50/50 Internet, as well as fibe tv. It's simply the best internet/tv service i've ever had.
Assuming FTTH is available in your area, i'd say go for it. |
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| did rogers pull ftth for you too? |
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If you dig a bit you might find it here but I remember the standard split was 4:1 with a max of 8:1 for bell |
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| said by eeeaddict:If you dig a bit you might find it here but I remember the standard split was 4:1 with a max of 8:1 for bell
Standard in the industry is 32:1 splits, with 64:1 being possible with GPON technology, but it kills your optical loss budget.
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MNSi Internet - »www.mnsi.net |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:4 | Yeah, 4:1 is way too high. Bell as far as I remember is 16:1. |
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